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Fast draw: https://www.cowboyfastdraw.com/

Requiring special equipment for such shooting.

Quick draw: http://www.howarddarby.com/fast-draw-artist.html

Using a different name, but still requiring special equipment for such shooting

COWBOY FAST DRAW WORLD RECORD HOLDERS
Men's Record -Master Gunfighter .295
Ladies Record- Honey Badger .359

Scoop draw: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAfN4BiGiIM

Using stock self defense pistol and holster
.430 seconds

Over the last few years, we've had students in the course put themselves on the timer with an open carried sd gun and holster. We've seen students pull .5+'s and all remaining well under 1 second after just a little time with the scoop draw with a requisite COM hit for count.

Today, it seems I'm now shooting in the mid 6's somewhere regularly if open carried. I'm slowing down due to less time spent drawing for speed [ twitch muscle maintenance ] and just getting more geriatric with every passing year. The .43 was attained in 2006-07 roughly a 5% loss in speed per year to present.

Being more concerned with how quickly one can get operational and a good shot on threat from concealed [ as that's the majority method of carry ] once the decision to draw has been made, I recently attained times of .90 seconds to first COM hit with a stock normally carried sd handgun and holster. That would seem to suggest about a .33 second time [ for me ] to clear the shirt for the hand to have access to the firearm for scooping the gun out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyWas59ANQ8

The reaction times recorded with the best quick draw shooters who are well honed at that game hover around the .14 and change mark. Most will do well to achieve a .25 reaction time on their best day. Most of these shooters are older, not young guys and gals who are winning these speed and accuracy matches. It's never too late to start on the path to developing your speed of presentation. It's the first step in a sd response, quite an important step IMO.

IYO, do you feel speed of presentation an important component of self defense with a handheld firearm carried concealed with the purpose of sd the primary function? Have you practiced become faster to respond with deadly force with your daily equipment? Do you know where you are with your present skills set at drawing and making that first hit?

Recently, on another forum, a member admitted he thought he was better than average at times to draw and make a first hit. When he put himself on the timer for the first time, he was recording lows of high 2's and highs of mid 3 seconds. His mind told him he was pretty fast, the timer told the real story. He was very unhappy with his skills after placing the timer into the mix.

How many members here believe they are "fast enough", and haven't any idea what that represents in actual time. It's something that might be important where it's fairly well known the average DGU lasts a mere 3 seconds.
 

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Time can be everything.......But I will quote a great trainer.........Speed is fine, accuracy is final.............
Times don't count unless there's a COM hit anyway. Accuracy is a relative word, if it's COM I'm of the opinion it's accurate enough. :grin
 

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Don't tell that to the cop in Philly...........

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CNS or COM accuracy is accuracy in CQB, NO?
It is to my thinking, yet there are those who require smaller than COM groups to pass their courses of fire. That's why I specifically mentioned accuracy is a relative word. You and I are on the same page where combat accuracy is concerned :thumsup
 
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