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Fast draw: https://www.cowboyfastdraw.com/

Requiring special equipment for such shooting.

Quick draw: http://www.howarddarby.com/fast-draw-artist.html

Using a different name, but still requiring special equipment for such shooting

COWBOY FAST DRAW WORLD RECORD HOLDERS
Men's Record -Master Gunfighter .295
Ladies Record- Honey Badger .359

Scoop draw: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAfN4BiGiIM

Using stock self defense pistol and holster
.430 seconds

Over the last few years, we've had students in the course put themselves on the timer with an open carried sd gun and holster. We've seen students pull .5+'s and all remaining well under 1 second after just a little time with the scoop draw with a requisite COM hit for count.

Today, it seems I'm now shooting in the mid 6's somewhere regularly if open carried. I'm slowing down due to less time spent drawing for speed [ twitch muscle maintenance ] and just getting more geriatric with every passing year. The .43 was attained in 2006-07 roughly a 5% loss in speed per year to present.

Being more concerned with how quickly one can get operational and a good shot on threat from concealed [ as that's the majority method of carry ] once the decision to draw has been made, I recently attained times of .90 seconds to first COM hit with a stock normally carried sd handgun and holster. That would seem to suggest about a .33 second time [ for me ] to clear the shirt for the hand to have access to the firearm for scooping the gun out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyWas59ANQ8

The reaction times recorded with the best quick draw shooters who are well honed at that game hover around the .14 and change mark. Most will do well to achieve a .25 reaction time on their best day. Most of these shooters are older, not young guys and gals who are winning these speed and accuracy matches. It's never too late to start on the path to developing your speed of presentation. It's the first step in a sd response, quite an important step IMO.

IYO, do you feel speed of presentation an important component of self defense with a handheld firearm carried concealed with the purpose of sd the primary function? Have you practiced become faster to respond with deadly force with your daily equipment? Do you know where you are with your present skills set at drawing and making that first hit?

Recently, on another forum, a member admitted he thought he was better than average at times to draw and make a first hit. When he put himself on the timer for the first time, he was recording lows of high 2's and highs of mid 3 seconds. His mind told him he was pretty fast, the timer told the real story. He was very unhappy with his skills after placing the timer into the mix.

How many members here believe they are "fast enough", and haven't any idea what that represents in actual time. It's something that might be important where it's fairly well known the average DGU lasts a mere 3 seconds.
 

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IYO, do you feel speed of presentation an important component of self defense with a handheld firearm carried concealed with the purpose of sd the primary function? Have you practiced become faster to respond with deadly force with your daily equipment? Do you know where you are with your present skills set at drawing and making that first hit?

Yes.

Recently, on another forum, a member admitted he thought he was better than average at times to draw and make a first hit. When he put himself on the timer for the first time, he was recording lows of high 2's and highs of mid 3 seconds. His mind told him he was pretty fast, the timer told the real story. He was very unhappy with his skills after placing the timer into the mix.

How many members here believe they are "fast enough", and haven't any idea what that represents in actual time. It's something that might be important where it's fairly well known the average DGU lasts a mere 3 seconds.

I shoot "on the timer" almost every week, and will have mine with me at the April Volusia class.

If there's any way you can work a timer into any of the exercises y'all have planned, you can count on using it.
 

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I still hover right around a second or so from concealed to first shot on target.
That to me has always been the golden rule and the mark to practice for.

I used to do dry fire/draw practice by standing in front of a clock with a second hand on it.
Hands up in typical surrender position. Second hand clicks and you try to draw, aim and dry fire once before it moves again.
This was always done bringing gun up to either right under line of sight or using front one to post on target. Lately I've been working on drawing and shooting from the hip on up close silohouettes. It saves me a good 1/4-1/3 of a second and gets me under 1 from draw to shot.
2-3 seconds to whip it out and be ready to me is too long.
 

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Time can be everything.......But I will quote a great trainer.........Speed is fine, accuracy is final.............
 

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And another good line

“Every time you train, train with the motivation and purpose that you will be the hardest person someone ever tries to kill.”
 

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Time can be everything.......But I will quote a great trainer.........Speed is fine, accuracy is final.............
Times don't count unless there's a COM hit anyway. Accuracy is a relative word, if it's COM I'm of the opinion it's accurate enough. :grin
 

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being first with lead on the way usually wins the battle, where have I heard that?
Don't tell that to the cop in Philly...........

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Times don't count unless there's a COM hit anyway. Accuracy is a relative word, if it's COM I'm of the opinion it's accurate enough. :grin
CNS or COM accuracy is accuracy in CQB, NO?
 

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being first with lead on the way usually wins the battle, where have I heard that?
if youve spent any time with terry hall its...."first one with metal on meat wins."....maybe not every time...but its better odds than second...

if the first one doesnt stop em keep firing until they stop moving or catch on fire....
 

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if youve spent any time with terry hall its...."first one with metal on meat wins."....maybe not every time...but its better odds than second...

if the first one doesnt stop em keep firing until they stop moving or catch on fire....
Or change shapes.
 

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Don't tell that to the cop in Philly...........

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CNS or COM accuracy is accuracy in CQB, NO?
It is to my thinking, yet there are those who require smaller than COM groups to pass their courses of fire. That's why I specifically mentioned accuracy is a relative word. You and I are on the same page where combat accuracy is concerned :thumsup
 

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Using a timer is an eye-opener, for sure.

I didn't have any opinion on whether I was "good enough" or not... as I had never timed myself. Can't do it at the range. As some of you know, I can now do it at home with the LASR app.

The first time ever trying it, my best time was 1.18 seconds, scoop draw, from concealment (untucked long-tail t-shirt). Posted details on this thread.



I haven't had much time / opportunity to practice lately. I need to get back on it.
 
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