I believe the Strawberry Festival here in Plant City also has signs like this. There is such an issue with gangs that any group of people wearing the same colors is denied admission. I do not pay any attention to such signs.
Dade County Fair & Expo: No Weapons.
The Dade County Fair & Expo has big signs for anyone living in South Florida intent on heading there. I secured mine in the vehicle when I got there the other day. They do not pat you down or make you pass through metal detectors, though they will inspect all backpacks and purses before letting you in.
Now there are several police officers on the fairgrounds but there's also a number of hoodlums around at night. About four years ago there was an incident at a gas station down the road from the fair. Three guys attempted to rob a woman who'd left the fair with her kids. They didn't expect the woman's husband to be in the other car pulling into the gas station. They also didn't expect him to be carrying his own pistol.
Now there are several police officers on the fairgrounds but there's also a number of hoodlums around at night. About four years ago there was an incident at a gas station down the road from the fair. Three guys attempted to rob a woman who'd left the fair with her kids. They didn't expect the woman's husband to be in the other car pulling into the gas station. They also didn't expect him to be carrying his own pistol.
1 - 20 of 42 Posts
There are a couple of things worth investigating.
First, "regardless of permit". This is obviously illegal, as Dade County cannot nullify a state license, just as they cannot declare Florida drivers licenses invalid.
Second, the sign says they can eject you from the property. Now I need the help of the legal beagles. Can a public entity eject someone from public property for no cause? In other words, since we know the sign is illegal and 790.06 permits us to carry there unless a professional athletic event is being held there, how could they justify asking someone to leave for doing something that is legal?
Finally, what is with the "management reserves the right to refuse admission"? Is this public property or not?
Comments please. I know where I stand on this whole area.
First, "regardless of permit". This is obviously illegal, as Dade County cannot nullify a state license, just as they cannot declare Florida drivers licenses invalid.
Second, the sign says they can eject you from the property. Now I need the help of the legal beagles. Can a public entity eject someone from public property for no cause? In other words, since we know the sign is illegal and 790.06 permits us to carry there unless a professional athletic event is being held there, how could they justify asking someone to leave for doing something that is legal?
Finally, what is with the "management reserves the right to refuse admission"? Is this public property or not?
Comments please. I know where I stand on this whole area.
There is no way I would go there unarmed.
The signs carry no legal weight. Stay concealed.
The signs carry no legal weight. Stay concealed.
I keep seeing this subject raised on this forum. It's like any other private property. The owner can refuse admission to anyone. They can throw out anyone. If you refuse to go, they can have you trespassed. The AMC locally supposedly hires off duty LEO to keep an eye on things. I heard they will throw you out if you're caught with a concealed weapon.
As long as its legal, i will carry. If they somehow find out and ask me to leave, i will go. I do conceal my weapon good, so its not a problem. Like its been said before, the sign holds no weight...
I don't believe we are commenting on private property, we are talking about events held in parks.I keep seeing this subject raised on this forum. It's like any other private property. The owner can refuse admission to anyone. They can throw out anyone. If you refuse to go, they can have you trespassed. The AMC locally supposedly hires off duty LEO to keep an eye on things. I heard they will throw you out if you're caught with a concealed weapon.
There are a few dozen uniformed Metro Dade LEO's there as well as half a dozen State Troopers spread out throughout the fairgrounds.I keep seeing this subject raised on this forum. It's like any other private property. The owner can refuse admission to anyone. They can throw out anyone. If you refuse to go, they can have you trespassed. The AMC locally supposedly hires off duty LEO to keep an eye on things. I heard they will throw you out if you're caught with a concealed weapon.
You are paying admission. An event at a park with no fence would be public. There is another thread somewhere about a dog park. A public park is still owned by some entity, state, county, or city.
As far as I can tell, the County Fair is held on property owned by the Fair & Expo Center. It's still a private company, even though it has "Dade County" in the name.I don't believe we are commenting on private property, we are talking about events held in parks.
The following is from their site:
The Miami-Dade County Fair & Exposition, Inc.
A private, not-for-profit organization dedicated to enriching our community by promoting education and South Florida agriculture while showcasing and rewarding youth achievement. We accomplish this by producing a first-class event, The Fair™, with quality entertainment and providing facilities & resources for year-round events.
The Fair™
Ranked the largest fair in Florida, The Fair™ celebrates its 59th year in the spring of 2010. The Fair™ is an 18-day event from March 25th – April 11th which includes rides, games, food and live entertainment.
The Fair™ is working towards a greener, cleaner experience by saving cleaner air, fuel sources and soil for future generations.
Affiliations
The Miami-Dade County Fair & Exposition, Inc. is a recognized leader and trusted partner with over 25 years of dedication and service in the community. In cooperation with the Miami-Dade County School District, The Fair™ showcases the artistic and academic talents of close to 50,000 students through competition and exhibition, with winnings totaling over $250,000 yearly in cash premiums, awards, trophies and plaques. Most experience the thrill of receiving public recognition for the first time, sharing with friends and family a proudly displayed blue or red ribbon and a cash prize. Over 60,000+ students in both public and private and parochial schools receive free admission to The Fair™ on planned field trips. And, each student receives coupons for two free admissions to The Fair™ with their family. In its 58 year history, The Fair™ has donated over $8 Million in scholarships, awards and premiums.
...and probably more UC cops than you can imagine. This means nothing.There are a few dozen uniformed Metro Dade LEO's there as well as half a dozen State Troopers spread out throughout the fairgrounds.
sorry to say but your interpretation of the laws is incorrect.You are paying admission. An event at a park with no fence would be public. There is another thread somewhere about a dog park. A public park is still owned by some entity, state, county, or city.
regardless of there being a fence and paying admission these events being talking about are not sporting events nor are they school events, they are not meetings of governmental bodies nor are they jails, police or sheriffs stations, they are not courtrooms or hospitals, they are not technical centers and they are not bars, and lastly they are not airports.
these are events open to the public in public parks. the county or city has no legal basis to overturn state laws regarding where and when a licensed person can carry
My point was not that you cannot carry there, but that a property owner or a representative can deny entry to anyone and ask anyone to leave for any reason. As m46607 pointed out this is a property owned by "The Miami-Dade County Fair & Exposition, Inc."sorry to say but your interpretation of the laws is incorrect.
regardless of there being a fence and paying admission these events being talking about are not sporting events nor are they school events, they are not meetings of governmental bodies nor are they jails, police or sheriffs stations, they are not courtrooms or hospitals, they are not technical centers and they are not bars, and lastly they are not airports.
I was there on Friday night (first time in 10 years). I did notice a very big Police presence and Security personnel (like never before). While I was there, I didn't come across any undesirables or gang presence.
I was initially concerned about carrying concealed, because I was under the impression that the property was part of the Florida International University campus. Also, the night before, a student was stabbed to death on campus. I wasn't sure if they were going to be using metal detectors.
Nonetheless, I carried my XD40 SC, Spyderco Endura, flashlight and Kubaton.
I was initially concerned about carrying concealed, because I was under the impression that the property was part of the Florida International University campus. Also, the night before, a student was stabbed to death on campus. I wasn't sure if they were going to be using metal detectors.
Nonetheless, I carried my XD40 SC, Spyderco Endura, flashlight and Kubaton.
The City/County cannot... The Fair Assn CANsorry to say but your interpretation of the laws is incorrect.
regardless of there being a fence and paying admission these events being talking about are not sporting events nor are they school events, they are not meetings of governmental bodies nor are they jails, police or sheriffs stations, they are not courtrooms or hospitals, they are not technical centers and they are not bars, and lastly they are not airports.
these are events open to the public in public parks. the county or city has no legal basis to overturn state laws regarding where and when a licensed person can carry
Way to go bro. It figures that you can't carry inside a sporting event or school, but you can't safely walk there from your car. There have been several incidents of the locals robbing and or shooting students here at University of Tampa. I always walk to the entrance of a place I'm legally able to carry to see if there are detectors or wands and I have never had to return to my car to return my piece. The gangs in Plant City still hit the festival but they've learned to keep on the DL.I was there on Friday night (first time in 10 years). I did notice a very big Police presence and Security personnel (like never before). While I was there, I didn't come across any undesirables or gang presence.
I was initially concerned about carrying concealed, because I was under the impression that the property was part of the Florida International University campus. Also, the night before, a student was stabbed to death on campus. I wasn't sure if they were going to be using metal detectors.
Nonetheless, I carried my XD40 SC, Spyderco Endura, flashlight and Kubaton.
I'm sorry, is there a sign there?
I am not aware of the nuances, I was assuming it was a public park not a facilityThe City/County cannot... The Fair Assn CAN
operated by a quasi public org.
Question for the group: If a private business that is open to the public can refuse to allow anyone carrying concealed on to their property, what if they refused to allow minorities, or people from a political party they disagree with? That would be illegal. Why can they legally disallow someone just because they are exercising a constitutional right that they don't agree with? Why isn't exercising a constitutional right protected from discrimination?
I concede. Your argument is valid and your perspective is ideal. It is discriminatory. I just don't have an answer. Perhaps someone with more legal knowledge could shed some light on that one. It sounds like a civil rights issue.Question for the group: If a private business that is open to the public can refuse to allow anyone carrying concealed on to their property, what if they refused to allow minorities, or people from a political party they disagree with? That would be illegal. Why can they legally disallow someone just because they are exercising a constitutional right that they don't agree with? Why isn't exercising a constitutional right protected from discrimination?
1 - 20 of 42 Posts
Florida Concealed Carry
A forum community dedicated to Florida’s concealed firearm owners and enthusiasts. Come join the discussion about every day carry, optics, hunting, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more!
Full Forum Listing
Explore Our Forums
Top Contributors this Month
View All
brownie
249 Replies
Anduril
109 Replies
Lautermilch
101 Replies
Recommended Communities
