[TwistedMinded_1911]

I witnessed a car wreck 3 males, over hundred mph missed turn, and I watched as 2 of then drug the 3rd away fast. Turned out they just car jacked it.
I was checking the car for others and started to call 911 when I seen something form the corner of my eye, turned out
They went and hid the 1 that was hurt and came back for ones wallet, they seen my phone pulled a knife and tried to take my phone,
I was able to get distance and move behind car as I pulled my 1911PD, (there eyes looked like dinner plates) the one with knife dropped it right away and I told them to
Get on there knees with there backs facing me. (Threat over). It took one brave young man to slowly craw away while I’m on with 911, then the others followed,
I did have them drop wallet. Cops show up and say to me why I didn’t hold them. I may be wrong but treat was somewhat over with me, did want to stand there yelling I’ll shoot you if you move
Like some movie, But I also wonder if I had held them and had different cop, would he have had the same mind set that I should have held them

 

[Steve48]

You're alive and unhurt, and you didn't break any laws. Good job. :thumsup

Let the LEOs take it from there.

 

[mikesid]

where did this happen?

 

[TwistedMinded_1911]

S.w Fl

 

[Rvrctyrngr]

Held them? You should have shot the : censored with the knife!

Seriously...you did VERY well, Twisted. VERY GLAD you are all right, and thanks for sharing your experience.

What you've related is one of the reasons I do not recommend attempting to hold someone at gunpoint, or shout verbal warnings if you feel it's time to shoot. When it's time to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. If they attempt to leave, they are no threat to you, and you cannot legally shoot them. You didn't know about the carjacking, so you wouldn't be able to say you were stopping a forceable felony.

Sleep well tonight, sir. You done good!

RCR

Off topic....nice choice of weapon....I love mine.

 

[lilarmy2001]

i think since you were not aware of the carjacking holding three men from a wreck under citizens arrest may have ended bad with the wrong cop. and if it was something like just some idiots being stupid and drinking and you held them at gunpoint they might have tried some false imprisonment charges.

I think you handled it just fine. probably the best outcome. there was no loss of life although we may all agree that maybe of few of them wouldnt matter if they were off this planet, and of course the wallet was saved./

 

[Hodawg]

GREAT job, Twisted! :dancingbanana As the others have said, you weren't hurt and no charges filed. Successful situation. On top of that, you kept your cool, prevented the BG with the knife from hurting/killing you or someone else, caused the perps to lay prone for a while (thus limiting their escape time advantage), gave the Police a good description, and secured one of Moron's wallet! Dayum! I can't think of much better than that. On top of THAT, you don't need an Attorney! I'll buy you several beers if I'm ever in your area.

By the way, that big ol' hole in the end of a 1911 sure as hell is impressive, isn't it?

Beers,
Ken

 

[Paladin]

Held them? You should have shot the : censored with the knife!

Seriously...you did VERY well, Twisted. VERY GLAD you are all right, and thanks for sharing your experience.

What you've related is one of the reasons I do not recommend attempting to hold someone at gunpoint, or shout verbal warnings if you feel it's time to shoot. When it's time to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. If they attempt to leave, they are no threat to you, and you cannot legally shoot them. You didn't know about the carjacking, so you wouldn't be able to say you were stopping a forceable felony.

Sleep well tonight, sir. You done good!

RCR

Off topic....nice choice of weapon....I love mine.

+1

You did well. All you could legally do in this situation is bluff them. While you had a forcible assault with the knife once they had dropped it you had no legal cause to shoot them. They called you bluff and crawled away. Since they left the wallet the LEOs will deal with it.

 

[mikesid]

S.w Fl

I'm surprised channel 7 wasn't all over it. you know their motto...."if it bleeds, it leads."

 

[TwistedMinded_1911]

Thanks all, yea I think if I had taken it further, I would be in the soup. I believe the first officer was just making small talk
Knowing I was a little shaken and also not knowing the whole story yet. I definitely would not shoot someone over a phone, I had to pull my weapon only because 3 on 1 + knife.
Truth be told I wouldn’t have known they where BG’s if not for the running from car then sneaking up on me and pulling knife, I prob.would have let them use phone and offered ride to hospital. Carjackers really don’t plan thing out well.

 

[SwampRat]

1st off congrats on making it home safe and sound...a couple of observations though..If you witnessed it as you say, saw 2 guys drag another out of the car into the woods..I would have (if I felt compelled as you did) to check out the car for maybe a carjack victim I would have drawn my weapon upon exiting my vehicle, 2nd i would have approached the wrecked vehicle from the opposite side they exited into the woods keeping eyes on the interior of the vehicle in case of another BG and eyes on the escape route. That way I'd have cover, weapon is drawn, with a much better view and advantage point from which to engage in case they did return...as they did.. Tactical Advantage..You got lucky this time. From what it sounds like you had your back to 'em, they had a knife, not a firearm otherwise you might be dead..Awareness my man..Awareness..BTW, I'm not tearing you apart just a little critical observation. There are other things but I think thats probably enough for now..I am truly glad you make it thru the ordeal. Good on you..Things like this give all the members here something to think about especially when it happens to one of our own...Thanks for Sharing..

 

[TwistedMinded_1911]

News was on this, I may have lead you to think this just happen, sorry about that, it was about 3 month ago or so, just haven’t posted it .
Later learned they might be (might) the same crew who hit up some ice cream shop earlier that night.
Now that you mention news it makes me think they really didn’t ask much of me, the guy with a CWP. Just the carjacking and knife pulled on witness.
Cops looking for 3 with k9 and chopper. Had I shot one it prob. would have been a story about crazy CWP vigilantly. :ak

 

[TwistedMinded_1911]

SwampRat I agree whole heartily with you, I let my guard down and did think a lot of what I did that night and see the same things I did wrong as you.
I have carried for years and practice almost every weekend, never joined a forum before, I don’t know if you can tell the date I joined this form but it was
That experience that got me to join (my son told me about it) and I have learned so much from all of you. I don’t post much but always reading, learning

 

[LoneWolf]

Thanks all, yea I think if I had taken it further, I would be in the soup. I believe the first officer was just making small talk
Knowing I was a little shaken and also not knowing the whole story yet. I definitely would not shoot someone over a phone, I had to pull my weapon only because 3 on 1 + knife.
Truth be told I wouldn’t have known they where BG’s if not for the running from car then sneaking up on me and pulling knife, I prob.would have let them use phone and offered ride to hospital. Carjackers really don’t plan thing out well.

Good thinking bro. Taking someone's life (even a BG's life) may be a trigger pull away, but having to live with it for the rest of your life is another story. You did the right thing. You protected yourself, eliminated the threat and their lives where spared. Hope they learned their lesson and they'll think twice about getting stupid again. And you get to go home with a clear conscious knowing you did the right thing and held the moral high ground and you did not have to take someone's life, so you can sleep in peace. Glad you held your cool. :drinks

 

[deadeyedick]

Good job of keeping your wits about you and keeping yourself in one piece...as far as the cop saying you should have held the BGs there at gunpoint, I think I would have a chat with the Chief of that department and inquire if that was their official policy. That officer was out of line to make that remark and I'll bet his superiors would agree.

 

[airhead]

Good job of keeping your wits about you and keeping yourself in one piece...as far as the cop saying you should have held the BGs there at gunpoint, I think I would have a chat with the Chief of that department and inquire if that was their official policy. That officer was out of line to make that remark and I'll bet his superiors would agree.

+1 You did good - maybe you could have done better, but you came out unharmed.


Ask the cop what were you supposed to do to 'detain' them?
Pull and flash your CC badge?
Holler "Citizeeeennn's Areeest"

 

[goldsamurai26]

He who go home unscathed and without attorney fees wins !!!! But also along the opposite lines I think once they had committed a forcible felony (all bad guys now implemented) I think you would have been justified after getting them on the ground using a loud authoritative voice that while the situation has now de escalated that 'any movement on your part will be an assumption on my part that you are going to try to do me harm and I WILL shoot you. Lay perfectly still.' It's still a bluff but I think a better one. If one rose and came at you you would be justified but I think if they took off in the other direction then I would have to let them go. Of course this need to resolve the situation may be from my testosterone or from my prior LEO days, not sure which. But don't take any of this that you did wrong, because you came out perfect and people can always say what they might have done afterward, it's just an extra 'tool' to keep in the back of your mind. I also keep cuffs in my car. I can't see anyone trying to convict you of false imprisonment after they came at you with a knife. You could easily justify you were stopping them from committing another forcible felony on a less fortunate victim down the road. That's my 2 cents.

 

[brownie]

I witnessed a car wreck 3 males, over hundred mph missed turn, and I watched as 2 of then drug the 3rd away fast. Turned out they just car jacked it.
I was checking the car for others and started to call 911 when I seen something form the corner of my eye, turned out
They went and hid the 1 that was hurt and came back for ones wallet, they seen my phone pulled a knife and tried to take my phone,
I was able to get distance and move behind car as I pulled my 1911PD, (there eyes looked like dinner plates) the one with knife dropped it right away and I told them to
Get on there knees with there backs facing me. (Threat over). It took one brave young man to slowly craw away while I’m on with 911, then the others followed,
I did have them drop wallet. Cops show up and say to me why I didn’t hold them. I may be wrong but treat was somewhat over with me, did want to stand there yelling I’ll shoot you if you move
Like some movie, But I also wonder if I had held them and had different cop, would he have had the same mind set that I should have held them

2 dragging 1 from the scene and hiding him? First impression with appearance of hiding him, stolen car. That immediately turns the situation to thinking BG's, and BG's who steal/hijack cars usually have weapons. Any action on my part is then going to be predicated on that premise after that.

My attention would not have been diverted from the 2 from that point forward, and any indication of aggression [ the producing of a knife in trying to control me or take my means of communication away ] would result in their being proned and stacked on each other at gun point with verbal directives [ not put on their knees ]. Stacked like we were taught at counter-terr school means they can't move off, can't get up without a lot of movement.

There's not enough information to accurately access further actions, but once the knife had been pulled, they'd have done exactly what I told them or someone would have a hole in them. Game on as soon as the knife was introduced, regardless of what led up to that action.

Brownie

 

[brownie]

As for holding the guys: I don't think it is realistic for an individual to hold 2-3 guys. Even with training this is a dangerous proposition. Brownie's stacking technique works well if they comply. But what if they just run? I believe that would be a bad shot.

BTW: Thanks a lot for posting this. Always great to hear how someone reacts in a real scenario vs. one that is made up ;-) .

I want them to run, that's a good thing for everyone concerned. If they don't turn immediately and run away, the one who produced the knife has a bigger problem than he wants to have.

If they run, be a good witness, give descriptions with as much detail as possible as to height, weight, age, any unusual distinguishing features, clothing, etc.

BTW-- The OP never finished the story, what happened to the perps and the one they dragged off when LE arrived?

Brownie

 

[Baldy]

Glad everything worked out OK for you. You survived and that's all that counts. Once the threat is gone I'll gladly let the police take over. There's a whole bunch of would have, should have, and could have to anything after the fact. :drinks