Concealed Carry without license - HB-543 Introduced

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OHEng

Discussion Starter · 4 mo ago

Bill has been filed. Link to page for the bill here.

A link to the text of the bill is contained on the page above. No real surprises I could see, but the section on carrying on the property of a house of worship seems ambiguous. It says you can, but then says the property rights of the church are not diminished, which seems like they can ban it if they choose to. ???

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OHEng

Discussion Starter · #201 · 4 mo ago (Edited)

This is like watching football where it’s 4th down and 11 on the opponent’s 38 yard line and wondering what play might be coming next. Only question is, after the snap will BH want him held straight upright or leaning slightly back and to the right before that end-over-end through the uprights.

Mamiela

· #202 · 4 mo ago

I don’t see what the need for OC is? Connecticut of all states is CC/OC and the only people I ever saw OC were the guys at the gun stores. As much as GOA does nationally Luis could put this entire bill in jeopardy. He needs to go.

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FfNJGTFO

· #203 · 4 mo ago

Mamiela said:
I don’t see what the need for OC is? Connecticut of all states is CC/OC and the only people I ever saw OC were the guys at the gun stores. As much as GOA does nationally Luis could put this entire bill in jeopardy. He needs to go.

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Some of the members of the group "Florida Carry" want OC as well, to be able to go fishing along the Tampa Bay Piers. I'm sure you can Google a few articles on the subject.

brownie

· #204 · 4 mo ago

Mamiela said:
I don’t see what the need for OC is? Connecticut of all states is CC/OC and the only people I ever saw OC were the guys at the gun stores. As much as GOA does nationally Luis could put this entire bill in jeopardy. He needs to go.

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You don't see the need but it's not about need. Everybody makes a big deal of OC when all they've ever done is CC. It's not an issue here or the other 18 states with constitutional carry. The chance of running into an OCer here is always present, but not prevalent.

Here's one of the days I OC'd in the last couple years.

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Old Farmer

· #205 · 4 mo ago

Is this what OC is like?

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FfNJGTFO

· #206 · 4 mo ago

Old Farmer said:
Is this what OC is like?

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Just out of curiosity, is there a badge amongst all that hardware? It's the only way I gather everyone in there is not SWATing the gentleman...

mmn

· #207 · 4 mo ago

FfNJGTFO said:
Some of the members of the group "Florida Carry" want OC as well, to be able to go fishing along the Tampa Bay Piers. I'm sure you can Google a few articles on the subject.

You already can do that under current law.

FfNJGTFO

· #208 · 4 mo ago

mmn said:
You already can do that under current law.

But those that do are being harassed by Hillsborough and Pinellas County Sheriffs. Supposedly, this would eliminate that opportunity.

Denverd0n

· #209 · 4 mo ago

FfNJGTFO said:
But those that do are being harassed by Hillsborough and Pinellas County Sheriffs.

Are they really? The only cases that I have heard of, of someone being harassed, are those where they are being deliberately provocative, and appear to be trying to get harassed.

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FfNJGTFO

· #210 · 4 mo ago

Denverd0n said:
Are they really? The only cases that I have heard of, of someone being harassed, are those where they are being deliberately provocative, and appear to be trying to get harassed.

A matter of "interpretation." They would claim they are not being "deliberately provocative." Others (myself included) would think differently. It's one of the reasons why I didn't renew my FC membership.

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RadTek

· #211 · 4 mo ago

Not that he needs any backup, but I stand with brownie and his observations. After 5 or 6 years living in Phoenix, where OC has been legal for some time, it’s honestly a non-issue. In those 5 - 6 years, I could probably count the number of times I saw someone carrying openly on one hand with fingers left over. However that was primarily the very urban Phoenix metro area. Step out among the desert dwellers around the rest of the state and you’ll see it a little more frequently. But brownie is on point. Aside the occasional stink-eye or hairy-eyeball, no one pays attention. No calls to 911. No fleeing the scene.

Would Florida folk have a different response to OC? I don’t know. I‘m not convinced it would be panic in the streets. Maybe a little extra stink on the eyeballs. But other OC states seem to prove its not the “sky is falling!” event for the public.

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FfNJGTFO

· #212 · 4 mo ago

RadTek said:
Would Florida folk have a different response to OC? I don’t know.

Florida "residents?" Maybe not. Florida "tourists and snowbirds" from the PRNJ, NY, MD, MA, etc.? Not so sure.

RadTek said:
I‘m not convinced it would be panic in the streets. Maybe a little extra stink on the eyeballs. But other OC states seem to prove its not the “sky is falling!” event for the public.

Well, maybe not "The Sky is falling," but I can envision a few extra SWATings, here and there. Just enough to be a PITA to LEAs, etc. Again, how much of this "anti-OC" frenzy is generated not by local residents, themselves, but by "The Rodent' and like tourist orgs that want a totally pristine environment for all their "guests?"

BeerHunter

· #213 · 4 mo ago

Point One: It has been well established here and elsewhere that HB-543, DOES NOT and WILL NOT include any additional provision for Open Carry other than is already legal in Florida. So there is no further point in discussing OC in THIS thread. Start another thread if you want to discuss Open Carry.

FfNJGTFO said:
Florida "residents?" Maybe not. Florida "tourists and snowbirds" from the PRNJ, NY, MD, MA, etc.? Not so sure.

Point Two: I give two schiznits what "non-resident" tourists and snowbirds might "think" against lawful carry in Florida!

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brownie

· #214 · 4 mo ago

BeerHunter said:
Point One: It has been well established here and elsewhere that HB-543, DOES NOT and WILL NOT include any additional provision for Open Carry other than is already legal in Florida. So there is no further point in discussing OC in this thread. Start another thread if you want to discuss Open Carry.

Point Two: I give two schiznits what "non-resident" tourists and snowbirds might "think" against lawful carry in Florida!

Pistol toters in Az. feel the same way about tourists and snowbirds.

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FfNJGTFO

· #215 · 4 mo ago (Edited)

BeerHunter said:
Point One: It has been well established here and elsewhere that HB-543, DOES NOT and WILL NOT include any additional provision for Open Carry other than is already legal in Florida. So there is no further point in discussing OC in THIS thread. Start another thread if you want to discuss Open Carry.

No need for that. I'm done. I was only attempting to respond to what RadTek had said.

BeerHunter said:
Point Two: I give two schiznits what "non-resident" tourists and snowbirds might "think" against lawful carry in Florida!

You might only give two... But "The Rodent" and other tourist chambers/associations give a ton of them. And they're the ones with the ear of the FL legislature.

OK, I'm done with this thread.

BeerHunter

· #216 · 4 mo ago

FfNJGTFO said:
No need for that. I'm done. I was only attempting to respond to what RadTek had said.

You might not.... But "The Rodent" and other tourist chambers/associations do. And they're the ones with the ear of the FL legislature.

OK, I'm done with this thread.

I also give two schiznits about what "The Rodent" and others, including RINOs think, except to work on voting any Leftist, anit-Liberty supporting Legislators that "lend their ear" to "The Rodent" and others for supporting any Leftist, anti-Liberty legislation. I refuse to live in fear of tyrants wherever they are or who they might be trying to hide behind!

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BeerHunter

· #217 · 4 mo ago

BTW, OC centered posts made after post #213 were moved to create this new thread!

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RadTek

· #218 · 4 mo ago

BeerHunter said:
Point One: It has been well established here and elsewhere that HB-543, DOES NOT and WILL NOT include any additional provision for Open Carry other than is already legal in Florida. So there is no further point in discussing OC in THIS thread. Start another thread if you want to discuss Open Carry.

Mea culpa. Just chiming in with my .02. Sorry.

Ok. With current inflation, maybe a nickel these days. 😆

pod

· #219 · 4 mo ago

My take:

regularguyguns.com

Permitless Carry Bill Introduced In Florida

On the morning of Monday, January 30th, 2023, Speaker of the Florida House Paul Renner (R-Palm Court) introduced the latest attempt at Constitutional Carry (aka Permitless Carry) in the State of Flori

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OHEng

Discussion Starter · #220 · 4 mo ago

pod said:
My take:

Permitless Carry Bill Introduced In Florida

On the morning of Monday, January 30th, 2023, Speaker of the Florida House Paul Renner (R-Palm Court) introduced the latest attempt at Constitutional Carry (aka Permitless Carry) in the State of Flori

regularguyguns.com

From the article:

Red Flag law. Again, because of the hysterical response and coverup of government incompetence after Parkland, a red flag law was enacted in the Gunshine State. Now, compared to the norm of red flag laws, where it seems a gun owner’s dog can report him to the police, the Florida law is very circumscribed and thankfully difficult for a petitioner to get. But it’s still there and short-circuits due process. Besides, if someone is truly dangerous, taking his or her guns away won’t do anything but enrage them further.

Hard to agree with the first bolded statement when the three Appellate courts that have examined ERPOs for exactly that concern have all ruled that they DON'T violate due process. I get that some dislike the laws, but continuing to make this claim after courts have ruled otherwise is just being obstinate.
As to the second bolded statement, would the author rather deal with the results of someone with a gun who is off the rails, or deal with their anger while unarmed? I wonder, would they apply the same criteria to police disarming someone who was armed when taking them into custody - wouldn't it just anger them more to be disarmed? Should the cops stop doing that?

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