[OHEng]

Bill has been filed. Link to page for the bill here.

A link to the text of the bill is contained on the page above. No real surprises I could see, but the section on carrying on the property of a house of worship seems ambiguous. It says you can, but then says the property rights of the church are not diminished, which seems like they can ban it if they choose to. ???

 

[FfNJGTFO]

Bill has been filed. Link to page for the bill here.

A link to the text of the bill is contained on the page above. No real surprises I could see, but the section on carrying on the property of a house of worship seems ambiguous. It says you can, but then says the property rights of the church are not diminished, which seems like they can ban it if they choose to. ???

It sounds like they're giving the house of worship control to regulate church carry to their tastes (i.e. having only designted security be allowed to carry there). I can't imagine any church that gives a crap about its parishoners would not allow at least a select few of them to be armed, just in case. At my old childhood Episcopal Church, that would be "unheard of." Today???


The big question for me is, "did they decouple 'open carry' from the Constitutional Carry bill?" If they did, it might stand a slight chance of passage. If they didn't, 'Fuggghedaboutit!" The Rodent/FRF will be all over it.

 

[OHEng]

I didn't see anything about open carry in there.

 

[7.62Kolectr]

Other than the obvious benefit another one with regard to the permit is the ability to cash and carry for gun purchases. With permitless carry would they then remove the waiting period for all without a permit?

 

[FfNJGTFO]

I didn't see anything about open carry in there.

And, already, I see our friend Luis kvetching about that in a different forum and trying to get OC re-coupled into const. carry. I mean, I get his point. The actual 2nd amendment says, "Keep and bear arms...." not "Keep and bear arms only when concealed." Still, if there is to be constitutional carry at all, that might be our best deal.

 

[FfNJGTFO]

Other than the obvious benefit another one with regard to the permit is the ability to cash and carry for gun purchases. With permitless carry would they then remove the waiting period for all without a permit?

And, furthermore, the reciprocity with other states....

 

[Old Farmer]

Florida lawmakers propose bill to make buying, carrying gun much easier

Florida state lawmakers are proposing a new bill that would make carrying a gun in the state much easier.

www.local10.com

Florida GOP leaders want to get rid of gun permits

Saying gun owners don’t need a government permission slip to protect their God-given rights, Florida House Speaker Paul Renner proposed legislation to eliminate concealed weapons permits.

www.local10.com

 

[joecarry]

Not that I travel all that much but I think we still need the license for reciprocity purposes and I’d maintain mine just for that reason.

I’m all for constitution carry too but if it comes with open carry, I’d be cautious as long as it doesn’t come with the unintentional consequences of signage having weight of law. That’s not a win, that’s a loss. Just ask Texas how well that’s working out for them. Slippery slope, no thanks.

 

[Silliz]

I see no benefit with this law. I'm still gonna get the license for reciprocity reasons. So nothing changes for me.

 

[OHEng]

There really isn't that much difference except for the fees. Waiting periods for purchases don't change from what they currently are as far as I could see. If you have a CWFL, you have to carry it if carrying a firearm - same as now, if you don't have one, you have to carry valid ID and present to LE upon demand. There is some verbiage in there about reciprocity, but the way the bill is written it alters other statutes, so to be certain of what it does you have to have all those other statutes open in front of you - which I didn't do.

If I had to sum this bill up, I'd say all it does is make a person otherwise eligible for a permit not turn into a criminal because they don't purchase a CWFL.

 

[Ronnie948]

Me personally, think open carry and no training is a step backwards from the really good permit system we already have.
This is going to be biting all of us in the A$$.
Ronnie

 

[Rick McC.]

Me personally, think open carry and no training is a step backwards from the really good permit system we already have.
This is going to be biting all of us in the A$$.
Ronnie

Time will tell, Ronnie…

The email I received this AM from Florida Carry about the filed bill noted that it’s for CC only; not OC.

 

[FfNJGTFO]

Time will tell, Ronnie…

The email I received this AM from Florida Carry about the filed bill noted that it’s for CC only; not OC.

It does not include open carry. The GOA is already complaining about it.

 

[Rick McC.]

It does not include open carry. The GOA is already complaining about it.

Scroom.

 

[Ronnie948]

This has already started the sheep that actually seem to outnumber us onto the pooping brain propaganda shooting out of their mouths.
At least it is not open carry which would be really bad for everybody.
I know it works in a lot of states but Florida has way to many people infesting us from the NORTH EAST states like N.Y. N,J, & Mass.along with Maryland.
I hope this all smooths out in time, but we all should know that the socialist, democrats do not seem to ever give up their disarm America agenda.
Ronnie

PS:
A lot of the old Florida citizens are dying off and they are the ones that kept Florida a free state in the past.

 

[mmn]

I couldn't care less whether a permit is required or not, but removing the requirement for safety training gives me pause. Even with the requirement I see and hear many instances in the news and private conversations that tell me many don't know much about gun safety and laws.

 

[joeyvco]

So if you have a cwfl & don’t have it with you, you’re guilty of a crime? Yet you aren’t required to have one to conceal Carry in the first place??? WTF is that??? Can’t these idiots ever make anything sensible?

 

[Anduril]

So if you have a cwfl & don’t have it with you, you’re guilty of a crime? Yet you aren’t required to have one to conceal Carry in the first place??? WTF is that??? Can’t these idiots ever make anything sensible?

In California, if you get pulled over and don't have a paper copy of your insurance card with you, it's a $600 fine.
The citation is for not having the card, whether you have insurance or not..

 

[Anduril]

I couldn't care less whether a permit is required or not, but removing the requirement for safety training gives me pause. Even with the requirement I see and hear many instances in the news and private conversations that tell me many don't know much about gun safety and laws.

The extent of "training" at the typical gun show CCW class is shooting ONE ROUND into a target at 5 feet.
I don't even think it matters if you hit the target.
The "instructor" just needs to see you operate the handgun (preferably, in a safe manner).

The rest of the gun show class is merely an attempt to sell people insurance, and of course, get the CCW paperwork together.

I wouldn't call any of it "training".

 

[joeyvco]

In California, if you get pulled over and don't have a paper copy of your insurance card with you, it's a $600 fine.
The citation is for not having the card, whether you have insurance or not..

Doesn’t surprise me, but that’s CA. & you are still REQUIRED to have the insurance. This bill is Dropping a license requirement …… unless you already have one, then you have to carry the card, ( if I’m hearing that right ) for something that isn’t required, to do what you are doing …. Know what I mean? So does that mean, if you show them your card, “ oh we had no idea, carry on sir, we don’t need to know what you were doing, or about to do, when we pulled you over! You’ve got a card! “ 😆 Oh man, where’s George Carlin when ya need him? 🥲