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When: Feb 21 and 22, 2009

Where: Rio Salado Sportsmans Club
3960 N. Usery Pass Road, in Mesa, Arizona
http://www.riopractical.com/

Trainers: 7677, Matt Temkin and Brownie

Equipment to bring: Eye and Ear protection mandatory----Pistol with minimum of 4 magazines; 1000 rds of ammo; Airsoft pistol if you have one;

Training knives provided-----Airsofts will be supplied on a limited basis.

Cost: Two days $400.00. When we reach 13 students it drops to $375.00, when we reach 15 students it drops to 350.00 per student. This class is limited to 16 students.

A deposit of 100.00 will secure a slot for this one. Email me at arizonaqkr "at" yahoo dot com for contact information

Course Curriculum:

Core pistol training utilizing sighted and point shooting techniques with Matt Temkin and 7677.

Threat Focused Pistol Quick Kill with Brownie

Introduction to drawing and shooting while moving out of the kill zone from 0-10 feet. Several important core concepts/components will be extensively covered under the guidance of all three instructors which will allow the student the best chance to successfully negotiate the time/distance problems faced on the streets.

Extreme Close Quarters hand to hand [ H2H ] skills which lead to integrating the pistol into the fight by all three instructors. This portion will also cover training in various physical skills for the gun disarm and gun traps by all three instructors.

Close Quarters H2H Defensive skills against a knife. This will be a round-table hands on segment where the students will have an opportunity to move among all of the instructors who will cover the best unarmed defensive edged weapons skills from different systems.

Force on Force with Airsofts utilizing the previously covered training from "in your face" out to 21 feet.

Since Matt, 7677 and I held the "Sightless in Tucson" event in October of 2005, we have all received constant requests to come together again for a H2H combatives class that would integrate the pistol skills and defensive edged weapons training into the mix. Here the chance to get hard core established real world skills from three instructors who are individually recognized for their various talents.

This course allows the student to learn effective close quarters street skills integrating the handgun and knife into the mix to survive an encounter in a two day package that's not only affordable but brings the talents of three instructors into one location.

For past course reviews, follow this link:

http://www.threatfocused.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=19

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I have got to add,..this is a very rare opportunity to take advantage of 3 of the best in the business when it comes to actual street/combat self defense..be it H2H, knife or gun..these guys are the best in the business when it comes to gettin down and dirty..Just going one on one with any of them could be a life saver but having all 3 in the same place at the same time..is like Christmas for the big boys...
 

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Thanks for the thoughts SwampRat. This one is shaping up nicely since I announced it just this afternoon.

Jim Music has called and will be here [ he'll stay with me ], I signed three on after I let the cat out of the bag about this at last weekend's Flagstaff class, and another person from upper state NY is putting the deposit in the mail tomorrow so that makes 5 ready to go out of the 16 we can acomodate on that range with a 6th possible being RAM from my forum looking to secure a slot once he checks his schedule.

There'll be some good times out here in Feb with Matt and 7677 on-board and presenting their materials. Just so the members here can be aware of who these two guys are---------

7677 is a federal agent [ street investigator ] who probably knows more about moving while shooting and the tactics to stay alive with movement while making hits than anyone in the business. His background is threat focused skills with pistols/rifles and a defensive H2H tactics instructor with his agency as well as traveling for inter-agency work around the country. Top notch guy who has more tricks up his sleeve than most. They call him the "assassin" in Force on Force training for his ability to move and shoot while not getting hit.

Matt Temkin has spent nearly 20 years training in the Fairbairn/Sykes WW2 pistol/rifle and H2H combatives and trained with Rex Applegate himself for a time. Having trained with one of the masters, he's got some excellent skills to offer students and trains out of NYC but puts events through the Mass. chapter of the International Association of Law Enforcement Firearms Trainers. He hits hard and fast with the hands and pistols, not one to be messed with.

Me? Well, there's been a lot of water under that bridge, lets leave it at that unless someone actually wants the information here ;)

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Jim Music signed up also ...wow....he can probably teach a class himself with his experience. I think the "after class" is gonna be as much fun as the training class.....Now if you can talk 'Gloves" into showing up, grab DJ and Doc, you'd have to call it the Legends Class !!
 

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Jim Music signed up also ...wow....he can probably teach a class himself with his experience

He's calling it a mini vacation:D

Jim been out here twice for a week at a time staying with us just goofing around with the pistols and rifles [ serious play time ] as well as some ariel shooting training for me with pistols [ I actually get some of my skills from Jim ].

It's going to be an eventful weekend, that's for sure. I'm sure Jim will stay a few extra days here afterwards and we'll so some more ariel skills with the pistols and 22 rifles. One of the nice things about being in the desert up at the old Silver King Mine not far from my house, plenty of room to shoot into the air without worrying about where they're landing.

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Me? Well, there's been a lot of water under that bridge, lets leave it at that unless someone actually wants the information here ;)Brownie
Cough up the info, brownie. Y'all are so far out of my league (actually, I don't even think I qualify to be in a league) but I love reading about every one's qualifications and experience. That is how a newbie/greenie/inexperienced woman like me learns bits and pieces of info along the way. It's not like this type of conversation is ever going to pop up in my coffee visits with my girlfriends. So you all are my source for training and learning.

There is apparently a lot of former/present military men on this site as well as various types of law enforcement. Honestly, I don't even think I belong on this site but you all keep luring me to eavesdrop when the conversation turns to training. I sure perk up when someone mentions skills tactics.

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Cough up the info, brownie.

Okay MamaBear :rolf,

USMC combat military service

28 years as a PI working the streets that included being contracted to the states atty generals office criminal division for 5 years working undercover against organized crime and Bostons chinatown "Tong" gangs.

4 years training feds, state and local law enforcement in "Interview and Interrogation" skills

9 years law enforcement, assigned for the last 4 years as a defensive tactics instructor in edged weapons defense, stick, handguns. Undercover drug buys/stings for two years for another dept before being assigned to patrol work.

9 years of training in unarmed against a knife and blade to blade skills with Jim Keating of Combat Technologies

3 years for S+W's training division as their defensive edged weapons instructor training law enforcement across the country.

Two different SWAT schools with certification from both; Swat team leader, and counter sniper certifications through HK in Virginia while working in the law enforcement world.

Officially retired 4 years ago to Arizona and now train civilians/military/law enforcement in WW2 hand to hand; defensive edged weapons; pistol and rifle skills. I got bored with retirement after one year and feel it's important to give people the opportunity to gain SD skills I've been given by my mentors over the years.

In other words, I'm now a little old man who still likes to play with the "tools" of the trade.:thumsup

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Whoa, that is some pretty serious credentials there brownie. Of course, I'm just a stay at home mom so I don't know that impressing me would get you any feathers in your hat or give you something to write home about. (Dang, I really need to work on eradicating those hanging prepositions at the end of a sentence.)

Still though, you've apparently dedicated your professional life in a way that is truly commendable. I salute you. Thank you for your service on my behalf. So many here have served in so many capacities that matter to the rest of us who did not choose those kinds of professions.

MamaBear

ps - I've been supporting a group of Marines in Iraq since January. I write them once a week (sometimes twice a week) and mail goodie packages at least once a month. You've obviously made the transition from military life to a successful civilian life. I wonder if you could share some words of wisdom for my Marines that I could share with them for them to contemplate before they get back home in January. I'm no help in that regard because I'm just a civilian who has never been in a war climate but do you think it would make a difference hearing from someone who has 'been there done that'? I think I care too much and can't do anything about it. Maybe I should just send them some more goodies and tell them I'll keep praying for them. I wonder sometimes if anything I say could make a difference in a young man's life.
 

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MamaBear,

Not meant to impress, it just is what it is. Like I mentioned, I got sucked into that work and couldn't get out for a long time. The challenge was to go to work and catch the BG's before they caught you, the personal rewards were nice as well in the knowledge I was taking the trash out whenever possible [ now I hate to take the trash out and my wife has to nag me to remember to do so :cool: ]

Thanks for the thoughts on duty to country, back then you didn't have much choice, you enlisted [ I did ] or you were drafted to serve.

What you are doing for that Marine unit is just outstanding Ma'am. Nothing says loving like something from the oven :rolf I know they appreciate the effort and receiving mail is a biggie to any GI, especially out of country in a war zone away from their homes and families. Mail call and actually getting mail made the time oversees seem to go by faster and troops need something to look forward to. You are in a sense also serving your country by supporting the troops. It's important those Jarheads know there are people who think of them and care about them.

If I were to suggest anything, it would be this knowing a little something about Jarhead mentalities----Tell em you've been corresponding with a former combat Jarhead and he wanted you to deliver this message,

"Get some for us" :thumsup

They'll understand.

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Thank you, brownie. I've cut and pasted some of this conversation to give my Marines a history of why on earth I'm corresponding with someone who is pulling together a Close Quarters Survival Seminar. Does the phrase "strange bed fellows" come to mind? Geez.

I have shared with them that I was going to the range and sent them copies of my range sheets just to give them something to look at. For some reason I thought they would see the humor of *them* being in the combat zone in Iraq but having this stay-at-home-homeschooling mommy deciding to get a concealed firearms license and going to a shooting range. I don't know. Maybe they are too young to understand middle-aged humor.

In any case, this will give them an interesting read. It would be nice if some of these guys would pick up your torch and open up more facilities and continue their military career in a civilian setting.

Thank you again for all you do.

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Thank you again for all you do.

Ahh shucks MamaBear :eek: if I wasn't doing what I do now I'd probably be getting in trouble from all the boredom:D

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Thank you again for all you do.

Ahh shucks MamaBear :eek: if I wasn't doing what I do now I'd probably be getting in trouble from all the boredom:D

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Awww, now look at you, arent you being the humble one..:laughing ..Anyways, back on track..I hope this old man can fill some classes up between now and then to enable some training with another old man..should be good time had by all. The skills and training offered in this class are far and away the most varied and best I have ever seen offered by anyone anywhere especially for the cost. Unbelievable..One way or the other, I hope to be there..opportunity of a lifetime for me to meet and train with some of the best in the country before they put me in a box or admit me to a mental ward somewhere..:rolf Aint getting any younger, got to do it while I'm still upright and breathing....

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Hope you can make it out for this one SwampRat. We've filled 8 slots since we announced this just a week ago. 6 more available, we'll leave two for last minute sign ups.

Some of the "students" are actually men of considerable talent in their own right.

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Just an update on this class---------

Just 3 slots left open at this time.

SwampRat:

Guantes [ Gloves ] has confirmed his attendance. He's agreed to step up as a guest instructor and teach everyone there his "Draw against the drop" [ DATD ] handgun skill. He used this skill in East Los Angeles while working as a dep. sheriff successfully against a man who had a shotgun under his chin and was threatening to kill him while in uniform. This skill is a must see.

Guantes trained myself in the skill and I was going to give this to the students with his permission, but he's coming himself to learn from us and I'm very pleased to say the students are going to get it from the originator himself in this class. This one skill will likely not be seen again by the man who made it work on the streets for real anywhere in anyone's class in the future as he does not train/teach but is retired. It's a favor to Matt, 7677 and myself that he's going to give it to students.

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aaawwwww geeeeeezzz....Ya'll just put the icing on the cake as if it wasn't enough to have 7677, Matt, Jim Music and yourself now ya go and add Gloves to the mix..Well if I start saving my nickles now I can make it...If I can put 20 students thru some classes it pays for my trip, class and ammo...Its doable..Somebody needs to put this weekend on Video, DVD, CD whatever..it'll be HOT...
 

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SwampRat,

The three slots left do not include the two I'm holding for people like yourself who may be able to attend at the last minute. One of the holdover slots is yours now, and I look forward to meeting and training with you in Feb if you can make it.

We'll talk further on this later. I'm at the shop for three days starting tomorrow, then off to New Mexico to train some state investigators next Wed, and back home the following Sat morning.

I'm off this morning to shoot sporting clays but I'll be back home by 4pm your time.

Brownie
 
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