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Assuming i have a florida cwp, do i have to ask permission from a property owner before carrying a weapon into their private residence. I wouldn't bring it in if they told me not to. I would leave if they asked me to leave. I am just curious if I am obligated to mention it upfront.
 

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No, you are not required to tell them that you are armed. I hope you dont have friends that would kick you out of their home if they knew you carried. Not very good friends IMHO.


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No, you are not required to tell them that you are armed. I hope you dont have friends that would kick you out of their home if they knew you carried. Not very good friends IMHO.


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What he said!! :D
 

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Legally you do not have to ask permission from a private homeowner to carry a firearm in their home. However, it is only common courtesy to make sure that the homeowner has no objections. Most of my friends and all of my family have no objection to my carrying a concealed firearm in their homes. There is one acquaintance whose wife is a diehard haplophobe. If I must go to their home, I leave my firearm locked up in the car. It is just common courtesy.
 

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There is one acquaintance whose wife is a diehard haplophobe. If I must go to their home, I leave my firearm locked up in the car. It is just common courtesy.
If you wish to disarm yourself, then that is your choice.

If I am carrying concealed, then it is no one elses business but mine. If I am open carrying, that is another matter altogether.

Just because someone is a " haplophobe ", doesn't mean that I will disarm myself.
 

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True. But, a man's home is his castle and there is such a thing as common courtesy. If you either wish to, or are obligated to, go to someone's home, then you have an obligation to acquiesce to their desires as to deportment. You have no legal obligation to notify your host that you are going to bring cocaine into their home, either. But it would be considered a breach of etiquette to do so, especially if it resulted in a police raid on the home. Would you bring a bottle of Jack Daniels to the home of a recovering alcoholic? I would hope not.

As for "disarming yourself", law abiding CCP holders do so all the time. If you can go through life without ever having to enter any of the places on the proscribed list, more power to you. Som of us are not that fortunate.
 

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You have no legal obligation to notify your host that you are going to bring cocaine into their home
Cocaine is against the law to carry, my gun is not.

Would you bring a bottle of Jack Daniels to the home of a recovering alcoholic? I would hope not.
If I did, I would not bring it out of my jacket, just like I would not uncover my gun.
 

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You have no legal obligation to notify your host that you are going to bring cocaine into their home, either.
You just compared my Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms to possessing cocaine ..... :confused:

If I am carrying a legal concealed weapon, then NO ONE should know if I am armed or not. I would not be announcing that I am carrying a concealed firearm, and it is not proper for someone to be asking you if you are.

Do I have to go unarmed at times? Absolutely. But ONLY because the Florida Statutes dictate it. I choose to be a law-abiding citizen.

Look, if you want to disarm yourself, then that is your choice. I just choose not to because if anything would ever happen that I needed to defend myself or the people I am visiting, and I had left my weapon out in the car, I am not sure how I would be able to look at myself in the mirror.

You might say ... 'Well, that'll never happen.'

Maybe, maybe not. In any case, I choose to be prepared in case it does.

I am not arguing with you, I am merely pointing out the difference between your point of view and mine. :drinks
 

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You are missing the point. The point is that you are entering privately owned property. It is not your property and the rights of the property owner are protected under the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution. YOU do not have a right to use another's private property as you choose without the property owner's permission. The Second Amendment does not give you the right to carry or possess a firearm on private property without the owners permission [remeber those pesky "No Firearms Allowed" signs?]. Now if you should choose to show discourtesy to your host by carrying a firearm on his property against his wishes, that is your choice. But if you get caught, don't feel bad if your host asks you never to return.

As for the cocaine analogy. Bring any item that is not wanted into aa private home, is considered a breech of ettiquet.
 

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The Second Amendment does not give you the right to carry or possess a firearm on private property without the owners permission [remeber those pesky "No Firearms Allowed" signs?].
yeah, the no firearm signs have no legal weight.

Now if you should choose to show discourtesy to your host by carrying a firearm on his property against his wishes, that is your choice. But if you get caught, don't feel bad if your host asks you never to return.
why would the person even know that you had a gun. Are you suppose to tell them. Would you also ask "can I come in, I have dirty underwear on". Point is, they cant see it and they don't need to know I have it.:drinks
 

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It is not your property and the rights of the property owner are protected under the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution.
No it doesn't.


http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment05/

U.S. Constitution: Fifth Amendment

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
 

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"nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation." This the relavant part of the 5th Amendment. Kindly show me where it gives gives one person the right to use another's property without the owner's permission. In fact this section of the amendment, though directed at the Federal government, is a continuation of the English common law concept of private property.

As to No Firearms Allowed signs, at the moment and as written, failure to obey them does not constitute a violation of law. However, if the wording "Anyone violating this ban will be considered to be trespassing and may face arrest" were added, it could make it a very different situation indeed. That wording would add a "trespass warning" that may make a verbal warning unnecessary prior to arrest. Also, there isa presumption of a blanket invitationfor members of the public to enter a business establishment. No such presumption exist with regard to a private residence. Your right to carry a firearm does not trump another person's right to control their property and its use in the manner that they choose.

But, that is legalese. The whole point is that if you are going to visit a friend or acquantance while armed, it is simply good manners to make sure that they have no objection to your being armed in their home. Why would you want to cause someone, especially a friend or acquantance, distress in their own home? As to how the would know that you had a gun, how about printing or flashing? The point is that if you want others to respect your rights, then you have to respect theirs. If you are unwilling to do that, well than on your head be it.
 

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Kindly show me where it gives gives one person the right to use another's property without the owner's permission.
You are talking about taking a gun onto their property not using it.


As to No Firearms Allowed signs, at the moment and as written, failure to obey them does not constitute a violation of law. However, if the wording "Anyone violating this ban will be considered to be trespassing and may face arrest" were added, it could make it a very different situation indeed. [/quote]

if, if there was no such thing as the 2nd amendment, we would not be having this conversation.

Why would you want to cause someone, especially a friend or acquantance, distress in their own home?
A good friend would not mind if I carried in their home but again we are talking about it being conealed so they should not know you have it.
 

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"nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."
You are kidding me right? :rolf

No one is talking about taking anyones private property for public use.

Look, we'll just agree to disagree .... :drinks
 

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TampaSsgt are you and me cut from the same cloth. I don't think there is a thing you have said that I have disagreed with.
 

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TampaSsgt are you and me cut from the same cloth. I don't think there is a thing you have said that I have disagreed with.

Right back at ya Glock23-4-Me!!:thumsup
 

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Assuming i have a florida cwp, do i have to ask permission from a property owner before carrying a weapon into their private residence. I wouldn't bring it in if they told me not to. I would leave if they asked me to leave. I am just curious if I am obligated to mention it upfront.
Are you an invited guest into the home for some reason? If the answer is yes, I wouldn't volunteer I'm armed. Then again, anyone who's inviting me into their home would know I'm armed automatically.

I've been to people's homes as an invited guest through my wife's friends for some function they were holding and never given it a thought to tell anyone I was armed. Those people, though they had not met me, knew from previous conversations with my wife what my present income is derived from [ both the shop and training others across the US ].

Their expectations of my being armed weren't considered by me prior to entering their residence as I'm always armed, nor was there an expectation they'd have a problem with my carrying a firearm into their residence.

None of my own acquaintances would be asking me to disarm and would expect me to be armed as always. My wife's friend's may not give it a thought prior to my being armed in their home, and if it came up for some reason and I was asked to disarm, my wife would be getting a ride home from someone else, I'd be home watching the big screen.

In fact, I've been to "events" with people where firearms were prohibited and everyone was assumed unarmed and had friends still believe I'm armed with something even when I tell them I'm not. This is where the 5th amendment comes into play for me :D

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My wife's friend's may not give it a thought prior to my being armed in their home, and if it came up for some reason and I was asked to disarm, my wife would be getting a ride home from someone else, I'd be home watching the big screen. Brownie
Well, Brownie, you're just a bundle of affection, aren't you? :D
 
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