From that condensed scenario the best thing would have been to just start the car and drive away while watching his move. A BG is no match for a 2000 lb vehicle. You might even place that firearm in your lap out of sight. After all your car is an extention of your home. Showing the firearm would be a bad idea as you would be escalating the situation not fully knowing what the guys intention was.
Car carry question
I know what the law says about carrying a firearm in your car (when you don't have a CCW) but I read this on another forum (http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbull...es-discussions/65160-sitting-car-waiting.html) and I'm wondering when can you legally remove the weapon from the glove box etc and un-holster it? When does the threat level rise enough to allow you to arm yourself and be ready for defending your self?
How would and when would you react?
The scenario (condensed) -
...Anyways, I don't have my concealed license yet, so I have the 5.7 in it's case on the passenger floor next to me, and my Glock 19 with 17 JHP's in the clip in the glove compartment. My instructor should be here in 5 minutes or so, so I'd figure I'd wait for him for a few minutes and rest before a few hours of shooting.
As I'm waiting, a pretty sketchy guy about 6'1 190 lbs, about 35 years old starts walking my way, with his path going 10 feet in front of my car, from left to right, drivers side to passenger side, perpendicular to my car. He is fairly clearly looking at Me/my car and feel like I'm being semi-cased possibly. I could have sworn with 1 step he readjusted his line closer to my car. He is at 10:00 and about 20-25 feet away.
I am not one to imagine things, although I do stay on relatively orangeish alert frequently. I was watching him extremely closely. Three questions questions: At this point, what would you do, if anything? And...at what point would you do something, and what would you do?..
How would and when would you react?
The scenario (condensed) -
...Anyways, I don't have my concealed license yet, so I have the 5.7 in it's case on the passenger floor next to me, and my Glock 19 with 17 JHP's in the clip in the glove compartment. My instructor should be here in 5 minutes or so, so I'd figure I'd wait for him for a few minutes and rest before a few hours of shooting.
As I'm waiting, a pretty sketchy guy about 6'1 190 lbs, about 35 years old starts walking my way, with his path going 10 feet in front of my car, from left to right, drivers side to passenger side, perpendicular to my car. He is fairly clearly looking at Me/my car and feel like I'm being semi-cased possibly. I could have sworn with 1 step he readjusted his line closer to my car. He is at 10:00 and about 20-25 feet away.
I am not one to imagine things, although I do stay on relatively orangeish alert frequently. I was watching him extremely closely. Three questions questions: At this point, what would you do, if anything? And...at what point would you do something, and what would you do?..
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Ignoring the driving away - say you are trapped in traffic and someone approaches your car and smashes you window.
When can the firearm come out of the glove box and brought to the ready? At what point can you arm yourself in a car? When you feel threatened but with no other way out? Only when the physical attack starts?
I understand with CCW but some of the protections there are not the same for car carry with no permit.
When can the firearm come out of the glove box and brought to the ready? At what point can you arm yourself in a car? When you feel threatened but with no other way out? Only when the physical attack starts?
I understand with CCW but some of the protections there are not the same for car carry with no permit.
If he smashes your window you can shoot. It would be the same thing as breaking your door down.Ignoring the driving away - say you are trapped in traffic and someone approaches your car and smashes you window.
What 'protections' with a CWFL are you referring to? A CWFL is a license to CONCEAL a weapon or firearm, not a license to use one.Ignoring the driving away - say you are trapped in traffic and someone approaches your car and smashes you window.
When can the firearm come out of the glove box and brought to the ready? At what point can you arm yourself in a car? When you feel threatened but with no other way out? Only when the physical attack starts?
I understand with CCW but some of the protections there are not the same for car carry with no permit.
Florida allows you to carry a concealed handgun in a vehicle without a CWFL (with certain restrictions). Florida allows you to carry a concealed handgun in your vehicle with a CWFL (with fewer restrictions).
Legally, concealing a loaded handgun in the glovebox WITHOUT a license is the same as concealing a loaded handgun on your person WITH a license. The only difference is WHERE the gun can be concealed in the vehicle.
Once the gun comes out, it is no longer a 'concealed weapons issue', and other laws come into play. At that point, anything else is a decision you have to make depending on the particular situation.
If you're looking for a 'When the guy gets 15.5 feet from your vehicle and looks mean, you can draw your weapon' type of response, wellllll it's just not that cut an dried.
Thanks, that pretty much summed up what I am getting at. If I understand you correctly then taking the weapon out of 'concealment' in the car is no different than when CCW. If you have alternative measures then they should be employed. If not and you feel in immanent danger then you can remove the weapon from the glove box and prepare to defend yourself.Legally, concealing a loaded handgun in the glovebox WITHOUT a license is the same as concealing a loaded handgun on your person WITH a license. The only difference is WHERE the gun can be concealed in the vehicle.
Once the gun comes out, it is no longer a 'concealed weapons issue', and other laws come into play. At that point, anything else is a decision you have to make depending on the particular situation.
So many laws it's hard to keep track. Therefore my thought process is whenever in or out of the car I will only reveal my weapon in a situation where my life absolutely depends on me using the firearm. You can always have your hand on your gun if it's in the center console just like you would if you pocket carry. No one is the wiser until you bring it to bare if your life is now in danger.
As law abiding citizens we'll always be behind the curve when it comes to when we can act. We can't brandish, or reveal our weapon before the situation gets really bad and not risk prosecution. So avoidance and general situational awareness is what we have to rely on to stay safe and within the law.
As law abiding citizens we'll always be behind the curve when it comes to when we can act. We can't brandish, or reveal our weapon before the situation gets really bad and not risk prosecution. So avoidance and general situational awareness is what we have to rely on to stay safe and within the law.
Of course, as you pointed out above, one of the options in a car is to get it from its storage container but keep it out of sight. I would think that that would usually be possible in a car.
Yes, that is what I meant.Thanks, that pretty much summed up what I am getting at. If I understand you correctly then taking the weapon out of 'concealment' in the car is no different than when CCW.
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