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It's not an Open Carry law. It's a Constitutional Carry bill. There's a difference. To my understanding... Constitutional Carry addresses CONCEALED carry without any special license. Open Carry is an entirely separate kettle of fish, which has its advocates (ahem... "wandering pier fishermen"). But, it's not being proposed in a bill as far as I know.
I'm thinking the "wandering fisherman" all believe it is, and that's why they're pushing so hard for it.

We don't need it.
 

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I thought Constitutional carry was giving the right to carry without restrictions. Seems like omitting open carry is not actually Constitutional Carry if in fact it does not allow open carry.
Also I am not sure pushing Constitutional carry is going to give him more support come election time. The liberals are not going to miss a chance to claim this will increase gun violence with eliminating the requirement of training and acquiring a license and there are plenty of voters that will agree with the nonsense of that claim.
 

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I thought Constitutional carry was giving the right to carry without restrictions. Seems like omitting open carry is not actually Constitutional Carry if in fact it does not allow open carry.
Also I am not sure pushing Constitutional carry is going to give him more support come election time. The liberals are not going to miss a chance to claim this will increase gun violence with eliminating the requirement of training and acquiring a license and there are plenty of voters that will agree with the nonsense of that claim.
I always understood it to mean, "the right to carry without licensing, paying fees, requiring training, etc. etc. etc." How you carry is a different matter. Unless the constitution enumerates that as well, I don't believe one can imply OC automatically.
 

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Looking at various sites, I do see it does refer to "concealed carry" in reference to Constitutional Carry. I just thought it was all means of carry without a license. Thanks for clearing that up for me.
 

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As a practical matter, constitutional carry in Florida would only accomplish two things: (maybe 3)

1) It will eliminate the penalty for law-abiding gun owners who carry concealed without a license.
2) It will save some people money as they will no longer have to pay for a concealed carry permit.
3) But since it will no doubt be easier to travel with a CCW in reciprocity states, most people will continue to get the permit anyway. (I know I will...)

So, at best, this law removes a penalty for carrying without a license, and will save a few bucks and hassle for those few who never intend to take their firearm outside Florida.
You still have to be a lawful gun owner (pass a background check, etc...), and the bill does not put firearms into the hands of criminals, nor does it make that outcome easier.
 

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As a practical matter, constitutional carry in Florida would only accomplish two things: (maybe 3)

1) It will eliminate the penalty for law-abiding gun owners who carry concealed without a license.
2) It will save some people money as they will no longer have to pay for a concealed carry permit.
3) But since it will no doubt be easier to travel with a CCW in reciprocity states, most people will continue to get the permit anyway. (I know I will...)

So, at best, this law removes a penalty for carrying without a license, and will save a few bucks and hassle for those few who never intend to take their firearm outside Florida.
You still have to be a lawful gun owner (pass a background check, etc...), and the bill does not put firearms into the hands of criminals, nor does it make that outcome easier.
I wonder therefore if, perhaps, Gov. DeSantis is pushing Const. Carry as a "low hanging fruit..." something relatively easier to pass so he can say, "Hey, I passed pro-2A legislation" without much risk (as long as he keeps OC out of it). This, as opposed to something more difficult to pass like repealing red-flag laws or making Civil Asset forfeiture illegal.

BTW, I'm not opposed to "asset forfeiture." I just believe it's something only a court can do as a matter of imposing a sentence for a crime for which the defendant has been adjudicated guilty. I don't believe it's something LE should be allowed to do "on the street" during a traffic stop or upon serving an ERPO for which the respondent has not had any representation in a court of law. There's just way too much of an "incentive for revenue enhancements."
 

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FfNJGTFO said:

“BTW, I'm not opposed to "asset forfeiture." I just believe it's something only a court can do as a matter of imposing a sentence for a crime for which the defendant has been adjudicated guilty. I don't believe it's something LE should be allowed to do "on the street" during a traffic stop or upon serving an ERPO for which the respondent has not had any representation in a court of law. There's just way too much of an incentive for revenue enhancements."

I agree. 👍
 

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You can open carry an antique pistol in Florida I believe
 
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Florida is a non-permissive open carry state, and this means that open carry Florida is only possible for limited activities such as hunting or during self-defense in the state. Also, there are firearms restrictions in the state. You are not allowed to use any antique firearm in Florida.
Where in the world did you hear that?
I know quite a few people that use antique firearms. Ever heard of a C&R License? They’re not necessary to own antique firearms, but with one you can buy them online, and have them shipped right to your door. Right here in Florida.

I still have 5-6 pounds of FFFg blackpowder, and a pound of FFFFg for priming flintlocks. I used to build and compete with Kentucky long-rifles.
 

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Guys, that "first post" (post #48) was from a Spammer in Indonesia that registered while I was behind my firewall at work. I deleted another spammer at 4:00 AM this morning and a couple over last weekend. Edgehill deleted another one over the weekend, too. We're seeing an increase in these Spammers getting past the forum software, which we see from time to time (they seem to come in waves), but this one has been dealt with. 🤠
 

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Guys, that "first post" (post #48) was from a Spammer in Indonesia that registered while I was behind my firewall at work. I deleted another spammer at 4:00 AM this morning and a couple over last weekend. Edgehill deleted another one over the weekend, too. We're seeing an increase in these Spammers getting past the forum software, which we see from time to time (they seem to come in waves), but this on has been dealt with. 🤠
Back when I was a mod on another forum; we set things up where all new members required approval from a mod or admin ( I had full admin “powers”) to join, and post.
It was a bit more work that way; but it worked very well.

You’d either find them under “awaiting moderation,” or “awaiting an approval email.”
I took out hundreds and hundreds of scammers that way…
 

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Back when I was a mod on another forum; we set things up where all new members required approval from a mod or admin ( I had full admin “powers”) to join, and post.
It was a bit more work that way; but it worked very well.

You’d either find them under “awaiting moderation,” or “awaiting an approval email.”
I took out hundreds and hundreds of scammers that way…
I'm an admin on a FaceBook local history site. We have about 13K members, maybe fifty or so who post regularly. Membership requests go into the awaiting approval queue. In order to be considered, three forum-related questions must be answered, not hard, but specific. The spammers seem to come in waves. On any morning, I might find a dozen or so pending requests in which the answers are all OK, OK, OK. Blocked, then deleted.
 

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I'm an admin on a FaceBook local history site. We have about 13K members, maybe fifty or so who post regularly. Membership requests go into the awaiting approval queue. In order to be considered, three forum-related questions must be answered, not hard, but specific. The spammers seem to come in waves. On any morning, I might find a dozen or so pending requests in which the answers are all OK, OK, OK. Blocked, then deleted.
I knew someone would know what I was talking about.
Thanks, Mike. 👍
 
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Hell, I barely let anyone into COTEP since I screwed up and let Caleb in..
 
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