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I got approached last weekend in the parking lot at our local Costco by a middle aged female with two young kids stating she needed gas money to make it home with her kids. I said sorry, i don't have any cash (which I didn't and usually don't anymore). She said that's ok, pulled out her iPhone and a Cube and said I can swipe your card......I apologized again and said due to fraud concerns, i don't give out my credit cards to strangers. She told me to "F**k Off". :rolf
Wow, and after politely telling her "no" twice, to have her make such a comment, she just proved your point!
 

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I don't see it as retreat at all. And, it's not cover nor concealment. They can still see you. :) Retreating would be turning and running. Which is not necessarily a bad idea for many people. The best way to win a fight is to not be there.

It's the smart use of DISTANCE and a simple barrier. The WORST thing I can think of doing is NOT MOVING. Holy moly. Let them close the distance?? Out of what? PRIDE?? Bravado? Tueller would not agree with that, either. Let them get within striking, grappling, or stabbing distance? No freakin' way. Sorry, but I could not disagree more.

Putting the car between me and the suspected perp is also an effective test of his intent. If he proceeds to approach me AROUND the car, it's Condition Red time. An innocent beggar or person seeking directions to a destination isn't going to do that.
what you think and what they think are two distinctly different things...like a dog they sense apprehension and fear and act on it...what they dont expect is resistance...they are panhandlers...they want easy money...

youre standing fast with an effective improvised weapon in your hand already...you can abandon it and hope you dont need to go to your carry...or let them know you intend to hold your ground and dont want them sharing it with you...theyre not as stupid as you think...chances are they are going to take the easy road...if they arent moving to other side of your car isnt going to change their mind...only increase the distance they have to travel...
 

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I got approached last weekend in the parking lot at our local Costco by a middle aged female with two young kids stating she needed gas money to make it home with her kids. I said sorry, i don't have any cash (which I didn't and usually don't anymore). She said that's ok, pulled out her iPhone and a Cube and said I can swipe your card......I apologized again and said due to fraud concerns, i don't give out my credit cards to strangers. She told me to "F**k Off". :rolf
technology and panhandling...together we can...:rofl
 

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what you think and what they think are two distinctly different things...like a dog they sense apprehension and fear and act on it...what they dont expect is resistance...they are panhandlers...they want easy money...

youre standing fast with an effective improvised weapon in your hand already...you can abandon it and hope you dont need to go to your carry...or let them know you intend to hold your ground and dont want them sharing it with you...theyre not as stupid as you think...chances are they are going to take the easy road...if they arent moving to other side of your car isnt going to change their mind...only increase the distance they have to travel...
We pump gas differently, apparently. I don't hold the nozzle in my hand. I stick the nozzle in my car's filler neck, and click on the lock and let it auto-shut-off. As soon as I put it in, I walk to the back or front of my car. I don't stand between my car and the pump while it's filling... EVER. I don't want to be cornered. From the back or front of my car, I scan. I'm watching the environment and the people in it.

I rarely get approached, but when I do, I make it VERY clear with a command voice that they should not come any closer. It works. Every time. I've not yet had to move around my car. But, if the person continued the approach, I have no qualms about making that move. You'll just have to believe me, but in so doing, I will NOT be sending any "apprehension" vibes. :grin I'm simply positioning myself to gain ADVANTAGE over the "beggar," who's now been identified as NOT a beggar. Really, my positioning the car between me and the "beggar" is for HIS protection as much as it is mine.

And, if that person literally pursues me around the car, I won't be using an "improvised" weapon.

But, again... I've not had to do that, yet. But, it is one of my contingency plans.
 

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I'd use it as a force continuum at the same level of OC.
I understand and commented as a caution to the overzealous amoung us (or not). Might be “inflammatory” in court. :grin
 

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I have, since my early days in NYC, simply asked anyone dodgy who approached me for money. I'd say "hey, could you spare a few bucks?". Generally you get a very befuddled look and, sometimes, a "no, sorry" response.

Best defense is a good offence.
 

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My standard response is, "Damn, brother [or" darlin'"], I wish I had enough money to just be able to give it away. Unfortunately, I'm just not there yet. One day though! One day!"

And then I keep going on about my business. Haven't had an issue yet. :dunno

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We pump gas differently, apparently. I don't hold the nozzle in my hand. I stick the nozzle in my car's filler neck, and click on the lock and let it auto-shut-off. As soon as I put it in, I walk to the back or front of my car. I don't stand between my car and the pump while it's filling... EVER. I don't want to be cornered. From the back or front of my car, I scan. I'm watching the environment and the people in it.

I rarely get approached, but when I do, I make it VERY clear with a command voice that they should not come any closer. It works. Every time. I've not yet had to move around my car. But, if the person continued the approach, I have no qualms about making that move. You'll just have to believe me, but in so doing, I will NOT be sending any "apprehension" vibes. :grin I'm simply positioning myself to gain ADVANTAGE over the "beggar," who's now been identified as NOT a beggar. Really, my positioning the car between me and the "beggar" is for HIS protection as much as it is mine.

And, if that person literally pursues me around the car, I won't be using an "improvised" weapon.

But, again... I've not had to do that, yet. But, it is one of my contingency plans.
youre right...i drop the pump in, lock it and lean my butt against the car next to it while i watch people (one of my favorite pastimes) or converse with the person next to me if there is something to converse about...i dont see getting cornered as a problem...if they want to occupy a confined space with me they have a problem...

you dont hold your gun in your hand either...but i would imagine youre able to utilize it defensively in a short amount of time...and reaching for the pump nozzle as someone encroaches on your personal space has less legal ramifications than reaching for a concealed firearm...
 

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Since retiring from the street work back east, I've not been approached by anyone at a gas pump. That's 15 years now. I suppose some of that may be due to my no longer getting gas or hitting 7-11's in the worst parts of the city/town.

AJ is well known as tweaker heaven, I've not been approached by any of them at any location but Walmart last night/early morning shopping. They stand out front of the entrance asking for cigs or money so they don't have to approach you, they wait for you to come to them at the entrance. Don't believe I've said one word to any of them when asked for either.

More importantly, for them, none of them have ever tried to follow me to the vehicle from the entrance. I don't present as a vic, hell even trolling with gold chains and 1 ounce gold coins hanging outside the T shirt, I couldn't get the minorities to bite when we'd walk through the projects after dark no matter how much I tried to look like a lost potential vic. :grin

You guys always being approached, must look like vics.
 

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I don't present as a vic, hell even trolling with gold chains and 1 ounce gold coins hanging outside the T shirt, I couldn't get the minorities to bite when we'd walk through the projects after dark no matter how much I tried to look like a lost potential vic. :grin

You guys always being approached, must look like vics.
LOL! I'm trying to picture you as a white "Mr. T" looking like a lost puppy!

Yeah... no... I've been approached several times, but that's over 25 years of living here. So, it's actually quite infrequent. It's been a long time since the last one.
 

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I had a freeloader get between me and my truck last week at 3 am coming back from on call at UF. Naturally, I was unarmed since I had been on campus. My Shockwave, Kbar, pepper spray and tazer were in my truck. Half my age and a foot taller, and obviously thought I'd be intimidated into giving him cash. An aggressive attitude and Parris Island language persuaded him to leave me be
 

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I had a freeloader get between me and my truck last week at 3 am coming back from on call at UF. Naturally, I was unarmed since I had been on campus. My Shockwave, Kbar, pepper spray and tazer were in my truck. Half my age and a foot taller, and obviously thought I'd be intimidated into giving him cash. An aggressive attitude and Parris Island language persuaded him to leave me be
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Lol, when I was younger, “let me see some ID” in a commanding voice always sent them running. Years after I was no longer an LEO it still,worked. Now, at 72, I think it would be a hard sell but the “look” still gets them to avert their eyes. :grin

To Brownies point, sending “cop signals” was the hardest thing to Avoid when trying to act as bait.
 

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I remember the days. I once, when a baby LEO briefed a supervisor as to how I could dress up vulnerable and push a K-9 in a baby buggy.

Now I’m old too and look vulnerable and have a Chihuahua that’s had his teeth pulled! He still growls, but eats mush. He and I have a lot in common. We are both retired studs.
 

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Lol, when I was younger, “let me see some ID” in a commanding voice always sent them running. Years after I was no longer an LEO it still,worked. Now, at 72, I think it would be a hard sell but the “look” still gets them to avert their eyes. :grin

To Brownies point, sending “cop signals” was the hardest thing to Avoid when trying to act as bait.
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I remember the days. I once, when a baby LEO briefed a supervisor as to how I could dress up vulnerable and push a K-9 in a baby buggy.

Now I’m old too and look vulnerable and have a Chihuahua that’s had his teeth pulled! He still growls, but eats mush. He and I have a lot in common. We are both retired studs.
That set up was thinking outside the box sir, have a safe holiday.
 
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