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As a ccw in Florida is it legal?

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#1 · (Edited)
Hi a few minutes ago just got this post from NRA public figure Colion Noir 2A Advocate and by reading it came to my mind even though I pray to God I would never have to draw my weapon for any self defense situation, but it’s better to be ready than get caught up in the moment unprepared, so then an idea comes up to my mind can I carry a handcuffs not being a LEO nor a security officer? Can I carry zip tie or not a good idea also came to my mind to order a concealed weapons licensed badge to wear it on a neck chain just to hang it out on a situation like this thanks in advance for your help God bless and stay safe.



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#2 ·
Can you legally carry handcuffs? Sure you can. I don't know why you would, or how it helps solve this particular problem, but you can.

Same with CCW badges. Are they legal? Sure they are. But any CCW holder who goes running around carrying cuffs and keeping a badge on a chain around his neck all the time is probably going to be perceived as "off" by most people.

For a normal non-professional firearm carrier if your gun comes out chances are you're going to be shooting the person with it. Most non-professionals are not going to be detaining and holding for police. Sure, it could happen, but ever needing to pull your gun in the first place is unlikely, and even more unlikely still to do so and then need to hold someone for police.

Just my two cents.
 
#4 · (Edited)
Since we are talking about handcuffs and I never pass up a chance to post a statute...

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes...uff&URL=0800-0899/0843/Sections/0843.021.html

843.021 Unlawful possession of a concealed handcuff key.—

(1) As used in this section, the term

(a) “In custody” means any time while a person has been placed in handcuffs by a law enforcement officer, regardless of whether such person is under formal arrest.

(b) “Handcuff key” means any key, tool, device, implement, or other thing used, designed, or intended to aid in unlocking or removing handcuffs.

(c) “Concealed handcuff key” means any handcuff key carried by a person in a manner that indicates an intent to prevent discovery of the key by a law enforcement officer, including, but not limited to, a handcuff key carried:

1. In a pocket of a piece of clothing of a person, and unconnected to any key ring;

2. On a necklace of a person;

3. On the body part of a person or on any item of clothing of such person, when the handcuff key is secured on the body part or item of clothing by use of tape, glue, line, or other material;

4. In or within any compartment, seam, fold, or other encasement within any item of clothing, belt, shoe, or jewelry of a person;

5. In or within any sock, hose, shoe, belt, undergarment, glove, hat, or similar item of clothing or accessory of a person;

6. By a person and disguised as jewelry or other object; or

7. In or within any body cavity of a person.


(2) Any person who possesses a concealed handcuff key commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

(3) It is a defense to a charge of violating this section that, immediately upon being placed in custody, the person in custody actually and effectively disclosed to the law enforcement officer that he or she was in possession of a concealed handcuff key.

(4)(a) It is a defense to a charge of violating this section that the person in custody and in possession of a concealed handcuff key is:

1. A federal, state, or local law enforcement officer, including a reserve or auxiliary officer, a licensed security officer, or a private investigator as defined in s. 493.6101; or
2. A professional bail bond agent, temporary bail bond agent, runner, or limited surety agent as defined in s. 648.25.

(b) However, the defense is not available to any officer, investigator, agent, or runner listed in this subsection if the officer, investigator, agent, or runner, immediately upon being placed in custody, fails to actually and effectively disclose possession of the concealed handcuff key.

History.—s. 1, ch. 2000-230.
 
#5 · (Edited)
Since we are talking about handcuffs and I never pass up a chance to post a statute...
For those that may worry about that statute, just keep your handcuff key(s) on your key ring with your normal keys, and keep that in your pocket like a normal person, and you're fine. To be absolutely safe, disclose the presence of the key to any officer upon being placed in custody. Of course you're going to forget to do that as it's probably the last thing on your mind.

I keep a standard handcuff and high security handcuff key on my regular key ring. One duty belt has standard cuffs and the other has high security cuffs, and that way I never have to worry about whether or not I have the right key with me. :)

Referring back to "you're going to forget to do that", the handcuff keys on my key ring caused a bit of a stir at the courthouse when I had jury duty. I don't think anything about them and didn't realize they aren't allowed in a courthouse. Thankfully they let me keep them after I showed my credentials. Normally they confiscate any no-no items as I understand it.
 
#6 ·
(b) “Handcuff key” means any key, tool, device, implement, or other thing used, designed, or intended to aid in unlocking or removing handcuffs.
This could be very subjective. I can use a paper clip to open a set of standard handcuffs.
 
#7 ·
Speaking of paperclips....
You can also use a paperclip to open many Master brand padlocks. (Don't ever buy one to secure something you care about!)

BTW: Out of paperclips? No problem.
You can open several Master brand padlocks with a chicken bone, or the lid from a can of cat food.

I own a Brinks heavy-duty padlock that opens quicker with a stick than it does with the key!

Just sayin'
 
#11 ·
To the OP:

Are you trained to apply restraints on a non-compliant individual? I am - both on handcuffs and soft restraints - and have done so numerous times in the course of my previous occupation as a hospital security officer. But I would never in a million years contemplate approaching and attempting to handcuff somebody alone as a civilian in the midst of a self-defense situation. That'd just be an invitation to be disarmed and killed with your own gun.

And as far as the CCW badge, just don't. They're for wannabes.
 
#12 ·
As a G licensed Security Officer, a Company badge is issued. It is easy to tell you are armed! Gun on the belt.

The few times I have been on a site and met with Deputies, they alternate between looking in your eyes... And looking at my Glock 19, holstered.

I once said, "It's OK it is only a wee 9mm!" Our Deputies carry .45 ACP Glocks.
Dispatched to a Deputy on-site call, gated community in Dr Phillips.
Two female Deputies two vehicles. The call originally was a domestic, one of two men talking, arguing? And a caution, one might have a machete!

When I arrived, one man only, baggy track pants. Lady in Doorway of the house, trying to join in the conversation. Drink was involved. Man and both Deputies on the path, distance from Lady in doorway, to Deputies, 10 yards.
From me, outside of my marked Jeep, 7 yards to Deputy group. 15 yards from the house.

We have it under control said, one Deputy. But there was some movement going on.
I just stayed out of the way, and moved a little, a couple of times, to keep the Deputies out of my line of fire.

It was resolved, we all left. I met the same Deputy a few weeks after, she was in Civvies.
Not the one who said "We have it under control" She established who she was to me.

"You were keeping us two out of your line of fire, you kept moving" Yes Marm. I have been an expert pistol shot all my Life. I could have taken a head shot no problem, from 7 yards.
In fact, I was an Instructor for 25 years, had my own School in Ontario, Canada.

Was not necessary thinking of a headshot then. He was a tall man.

Gave all my Cups and Trophies back to my Gun Club in Canada, when I left in 2003. They could have been replated.

I worked weekend, late shifts mostly. Now just the odd time to hold a post until the regular Officer turns up.
 
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