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Approached by a homeless aggressor

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Scenario:

You've visited someone in the hospital and are returning to your vehicle in the large parking lot that at that hour has very few vehicles parked there. It was full when you parked where you could find a spot, but now it's sitting out on the open with no vehicles near it.

As you're crossing the lot with good SA, you spot what appears to be a homeless man who appears to be in his 40's or maybe 50's hanging around the peripheral of the lot. As you keep an eye on him, you notice you're now the object of his attention as he's now moving to intercept you in the lot or at your vehicle door.

He has no visible weapons on him, he's not carrying anything that could be used as a weapon expediently against you. Before you can get the car unlocked and enter and lock the doors, he's now within 6 feet of you and closing. He's not threatening you in any verbal way, but it's clear he's not going to give up the chance to ask for and get something from you [ usually money ].

What's your response going to be?

Confront him verbally to go away, back off, leave you alone?
What if he continues to aggress on your person?
Will you allow him to get closer than that 6 feet?
How will you enforce that distance if he moves closer?
Threaten grave bodily harm or death upon him by announcing your armed and will defend yourself if he closes on you?
Can you even draw and fire your sidearm before he can reach you and wrestle for the firearm if he decides to?

Now, he's closed to bad breath distance, you're continuing to tell him to move off/go away and he's ignored you and you've done nothing but verbally warn him to not approach. Is he an imminent threat of grave bodily harm or death to your person. If he's not, will you still draw your sidearm and threaten deadly force use if he doesn't back away and leave you alone?

Interested in hearing what others would do based on their strength, infirmities, skills sets or lack thereof.
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Scenario:

You've visited someone in the hospital and are returning to your vehicle in the large parking lot that at that hour has very few vehicles parked there. It was full when you parked where you could find a spot, but now it's sitting out on the open with no vehicles near it.

As you're crossing the lot with good SA, you spot what appears to be a homeless man who appears to be in his 40's or maybe 50's hanging around the peripheral of the lot. As you keep an eye on him, you notice you're now the object of his attention as he's now moving to intercept you in the lot or at your vehicle door.

He has no visible weapons on him, he's not carrying anything that could be used as a weapon expediently against you. Before you can get the car unlocked and enter and lock the doors, he's now within 6 feet of you and closing. He's not threatening you in any verbal way, but it's clear he's not going to give up the chance to ask for and get something from you [ usually money ].

What's your response going to be?

Confront him verbally to go away, back off, leave you alone?
What if he continues to aggress on your person?
Will you allow him to get closer than that 6 feet?
How will you enforce that distance if he moves closer?
Threaten grave bodily harm or death upon him by announcing your armed and will defend yourself if he closes on you?
Can you even draw and fire your sidearm before he can reach you and wrestle for the firearm if he decides to?

Now, he's closed to bad breath distance, you're continuing to tell him to move off/go away and he's ignored you and you've done nothing but verbally warn him to not approach. Is he an imminent threat of grave bodily harm or death to your person. If he's not, will you still draw your sidearm and threaten deadly force use if he doesn't back away and leave you alone?

Interested in hearing what others would do based on their strength, infirmities, skills sets or lack thereof.
I'm with racer here; I'm not letting him get within 6 ft or entertaining a conversation if I can at all help it. To answer your scenario questions:
Q1: Confront him verbally to go away, back off, leave you alone?
A1: Yes, well before he's within 6 ft of my person, car, etc., I will confront him verbally in as forceful of a tone as I can muster to "Do not approach any closer, back off, and leave me alone" WHILE I assume a defensive/bladed posture ready to execute a scoop draw.

Q2: What if he continues to aggress on your person?
A2: He's already been warned and continued to approach despite my warnings not to, then I'm now in reasonable fear of imminent threat and I can articulate that I he has nefarious intent and I'm in reasonable fear of GBH or death!

Q3: Will you allow him to get closer than that 6 feet?
A3: See above.

Q4: How will you enforce that distance if he moves closer?
A4: I'm now putting my vehicle between him and me and as I've already been convinced I'm facing imminent threat of GBH, I'll be at least placing my hand on my firearm and getting ready to repel boarders, if not drawing and issuing one last warning!

Q5: Threaten grave bodily harm or death upon him by announcing your armed and will defend yourself if he closes on you?
A5: If he continued closing the distance, then I can articulate that he's met the definition of an "Imminent threat" of GBH or death to me.

Q6: Can you even draw and fire your sidearm before he can reach you and wrestle for the firearm if he decides to?
A6: That's the reason I will do my best to prevent him from getting anywhere near 6 ft of my person and if he has continued to close after being warned not to approach any closer, knowing I'm alone in an empty parking lot with an imminent threat approaching, then yes, as I state above, I already have a reasonable fear of imminent threat of GBH or death, I am in a place I'm lawfully allowed to be, and have no duty to retreat in Florida, then I will draw my firearm and if he hasn't already stopped, fire on the attacker, COM until the threat changes shape or catches fire!

Immediately after the encounter, I will be draw my cell phone to 1) call the cavalry and report the incident, and then 2) call my attorney.
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I don't answer my door anymore. I've even disabled the old style door bell so it no longer rings. In fact, prior to Covid, we had a lot of sales people cold calling, plus the obligatory semi-annual visit of the Jehovah's Witnesses that only spoke Spanish. Don't see them anymore.


I have a "Blink Doorbell Cam" that I need to install. I also have other cameras above showing those who approach the door (but are too highly mounted to show them at the door). I also have a PTZ camera mounted right at the apex of my garage roof. I can see someone entering the driveway. I should get the Ring door bell cam installed so that I can communicate electronically with whomeer is at the door (I can, actually do that with the PTZ camera in the driveway).

Bottom line, I don't answer the door if I don't know the person. If any of y'all want to come visit, I'll text you in advance, and then you text me upon arrival at my driveway. I'll then open the garage door. It's what I have all my neighbors do.🤠
Like you, racer and others, I do not answer/open the door to anyone I do not know, have not identified, and not expecting, either!
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