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“Be not afraid of any man, No matter what his size. When danger threatens, call on me. And I will equalize.” – Inscription on a Colt Peacemaker

“Bring a gun” – The first rule of gunfighting



Last Saturday night, Richmond Virginia storeowner Mustapha Kassou met an angel. But he had to get shot first.

This particular angel, a shadowy hero whose name has not been released, was carrying what witnesses described as a western style six-shooter carried openly on his hip. And like the sword of fire which angels of old were reputed to carry, this six-shooter was used as a force-for-good to smite the wicked.

It was almost 11:00 PM and the robber who rushed into Kassou’s Jefferson Davis Highway store was surprised to find eight people inside. Surprise apparently turned to anger and the robber ordered the patrons to the floor and then opened fire on Kassou striking him twice. Kassou fell to the floor behind the cash register and waited for the gunman to finish him.

And that was when the angel revealed himself. Unnoticed by the robber, one of the patrons in the store was openly armed. Reacting quickly, the patron drew his sidearm and ordered the robber to drop his gun. When the robber refused, the patron fired once wounding the robber and then disarmed him.

Kassou, who immigrated to the United States some 20 years ago from his native Morocco and has since become a proud American Citizen, believes that God sent the patron there. "He saved a lot of lives," Kassou said. "He was like an angel who came to save everybody."

But Kassou is understandably traumatized by the attack and has openly discussed whether to re-open the store. If he decides to re-open the store, he says he will be armed when he does so.

Kassou’s ordeal illustrates a simple, logical fact that no amount of gun control propaganda can refute … “It takes a gun to stop a gunman!”
 

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the patron drew his sidearm and ordered the robber to drop his gun.

The patron made a mistake and didn't have to pay for it this time. The BG had already fired and hit the store owner, he should have not hesitated to drill this guy when he drew the firearm.

A tactical error he lives through. Must have been two angels in that room that day :drinks
 

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the patron drew his sidearm and ordered the robber to drop his gun.

The patron made a mistake and didn't have to pay for it this time. The BG had already fired and hit the store owner, he should have not hesitated to drill this guy when he drew the firearm.

A tactical error he lives through. Must have been two angels in that room that day :drinks
Damned straight. Write it in blood!
 

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I have to agree with you guys. The BG already made clear his intention when he shot the clerk, he most likely would have killed the rest of the patrons so to leave no witnesses behind. The armed citizen was definitely God sent, and probably saved everyones life, though the tactical error was to give the BG a chance to disarm. He should have just shot the criminal. Glad all the innocent are doing OK.
 

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Anyone also read that the patron saint was open carrying and the BG didn't see it? :rolf

I see a lot of new people to carrying posting here about "printing" and being made, when it's really a non issue.

The patron was open carrying and wasn't singled out first by the BG, nor was the BG aware of him packing. Yes, he could have been singled out, then again, if the BG had seen the open carried six shooter, maybe he'd not have pulled his gun to begin with, thereby making the presence of a firearm known by open carrying a deterrant.

We find open carry out here doesn't present the person with being singled out, having his gun taken from him and all the other possibilities mentioned against open carry. People, including BG's don't want a confrontation, they want an easy victim to pick on and look to those who seem most vulnerable. No one in the right mind thinks a guy with a holstered firearm is "easy pickings".
 

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the patron drew his sidearm and ordered the robber to drop his gun.

The patron made a mistake and didn't have to pay for it this time. The BG had already fired and hit the store owner, he should have not hesitated to drill this guy when he drew the firearm.

A tactical error he lives through. Must have been two angels in that room that day :drinks
Damned straight. Write it in blood!
Absolutely, gentlemen.

A wise man once said: "When it's time to shoot, SHOOT, don't talk."
 

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My guess it that shooting a person in the back is considered a no no and could lead to criminal charges and litigation as the BG or his family would be crying on TV saying why did he not just say to drop the gun (my baby oh my baby waz nut dooing anyting rong) <sarcasm>
Any drill I have seen done, there is verbal commands followed by action. While I would agree that the BG needed to be put down yesterday I think our hero did the right thing and will NOT be punished for it.
 

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My guess it that shooting a person in the back is considered a no no and could lead to criminal charges and litigation as the BG or his family would be crying on TV saying why did he not just say to drop the gun (my baby oh my baby waz nut dooing anyting rong) <sarcasm>
Any drill I have seen done, there is verbal commands followed by action. While I would agree that the BG needed to be put down yesterday I think our hero did the right thing and will NOT be punished for it.
He had just shot a man and was still armed, an immediate threat to everyone in that store and myself. I'll not hesitate to take him out before he can fire another round himself at anyone. If I didn't have a gun and his back was to me, I'd stick him in the side of the neck with my long knife. He's going down, whether it's in the back or not and be justified to do so in any court of law.

Hesitation gets you killed.
 

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Anyone remember the Miami Burger King back in late March? Armed customer confronted robber and gets multiple gunshot wounds in the process of killing the would be robber. How many innocent lives were risked by a shoot out instead of decisive action?
 

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Anyone remember the Miami Burger King back in late March? Armed customer confronted robber and gets multiple gunshot wounds in the process of killing the would be robber. How many innocent lives were risked by a shoot out instead of decisive action?
Agreed. In both scenarios, an execution-style shot to the back of the BGs head would have been perfectly legal...and preferrable to an exchange of gunfire.
 

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Anyone also read that the patron saint was open carrying and the BG didn't see it? :rolf
We find open carry out here doesn't present the person with being singled out, having his gun taken from him and all the other possibilities mentioned against open carry. People, including BG's don't want a confrontation, they want an easy victim to pick on and look to those who seem most vulnerable. No one in the right mind thinks a guy with a holstered firearm is "easy pickings".
I agree completely, I have contact daily with people charged with murder and assault. Most are cowards, they prey on the weak and unprepared. They quickly change their attitude when confronted with force. The last thing most want is a fight.

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I think that simply using common sense one would know when the BG announced his intentions by drawing the weapon. Firing it sealed the deal, he'd have never had the chance to have that short conversation with me! I'd have ventilated him from behind, and he'd have awoke to meet some REAL angels, and been dealt some REAL consequences!! :ak
 

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I got this story from another forum and today got an update:

From the VCDL Alert:

1. Exclusive: I met with the gun owner who saved lives in the Richmond Golden Market shooting last week
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On Friday I received a surprise call from the gun owner who has been in the press this week for saving lives at a Richmond store. The gun owner used a replica 1875 Remington Army .45 Long Colt with a 7 1/2 inch barrel to stop a criminal who had shot the store's owner.
He wanted to remain anonymous, but called so that the story could be set straight, as much of what was in the press wasn't accurate.
Board member Dennis O'Connor and I ended up meeting with him today (Saturday) at the Golden Market store, where the shooting had taken place one week earlier.
Besides being able to actually see the layout of the store, Dennis and I got to see the security videos of the shooting!
We also got to meet the store owner who had been shot twice during the hold up, but is now back at his store. More on this great man later.
Here is what we know from talking to the gun owner and watching the videos:
The gun owner (GO) was in the store waiting in line to pay for an item when the bad guy (BG) came in wearing dark sunglasses and trying to coverup his face while brandishing a revolver. The BG yelled for everyone to get down and before anybody could react, immediately walked over to the store owner and in a cold-blooded fashion shot him twice. The owner then dropped down behind the counter. It wasn't more than 2 seconds after the BG first walked in the doors that he shot the store owner.
Those shots at the store owner missed a teenage boy's head by inches.
The GO yelled for the BG to drop his gun as the GO drew his gun. The BG opened fire on the GO. The GO returned fire, hitting the BG as the GO dove hard for the floor behind some barrels full of ice and drinks.
The BG ran towards the back of the store, aiming his gun at an innocent man laying prone on the floor. Luckily the BG was too distracted by the GO to shoot the man. There is no doubt in my mind that the man would have been shot in cold blood that day if it weren't for that GO returning fire.
The BG kept trying to get to the front of the store by walking up various aisles and firing shots at the GO as he did so. At one point cans of tinned meat exploded on a shelf as the BG took a shot at the GO.
What was bizarre was that the BG actually was strutting around like he owned the place while under fire! As he approached the front of one aisle, he again pointed a gun at a person on the ground and was about to execute him, when he was again distracted by the GO.
Finally the GO spotted the BG at the front of an aisle standing in the open.
Much to his surprise, the GO discovered that when he dove hard for the floor he had somehow broken the trigger on his gun!
But the gun was a single action, so the GO pushing himself up with one arm, aimed the gun, pulled the hammer back and let it fly forward - twice.
Although seriously wounded three times, the BG came at the GO. The BG tried to grab the GO's gun since the BG's gun was out of ammunition. A life-and-death struggle began. The GO got a grip on the BG's gun and the GO hit the BG twice hard on the temple with the 7 1/2" barrel on his rather heavy gun.
The BG finally broke off the engagement, tried to run out the front door, but collapsed at the door.
The GO secured the BG's gun and keeping an eye on the now unconscious bad guy, called 9-1-1.
The BG has now died (he was in critical condition since the shooting).
The police showed up a minute or so after the 9-1-1 call and initially had everyone in the store at gun point and handcuffed some until they could figure out who was who.
What really impressed me was that on the surveillance video, the owner, while shot twice by the BG, was walking around making sure that all of his customers were OK after the shooting had ended. He only let himself collapse after he was sure they were OK! Words fail me on this. I am so glad that he made it. What a dichotomy - a BG who shoots an innocent person without provocation, almost killing a teenager while doing so - caring for no one but himself. And then the store owner who, while seriously wounded, making sure his customers were OK. Evil exists and so does Good. Both were on display in those two minutes of terror. Luckily only the bad guy was killed. The owner was walking with a limp, clearly in some pain. :-(
A lot of people owe their lives to that GO. However, he is having none of it, saying that he simply did what he had to do.
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The GO wanted me to share the following points:
* Buy a quality gun - don't use some cheap $90 gun to protect your life. He considered his gun to be a good one and even then the trigger broke under the extreme stress of a life-and-death battle.
* Practice with your gun, get training, and be good with that gun.
* More and more BGs are choosing to kill in cold blood to get what they want. If they can't live the "good life, " then they don't care if their crimes send them to jail.
* He also noted that fewer and fewer BGs are getting any jail time.
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Here are my thoughts from watching that tape:
* Talk about a cold-blooded, fast attack where an innocent was shot without warning! Unbelievable. Situational awareness is really important. Luck doesn't hurt, either.
* Open carry was an advantage in this case because in the video I saw just how fast the GO managed to draw his gun and begin to return fire. You always hear about how open carry is so bad tactically - you'll be the first one shot, etc. Oh, yeah? The GO had a HUGE gun in plain sight and he was NOT shot. Who got shot first? An unarmed store owner.
* I am betting that the BG was on drugs, big time. He was hit with THREE 45-CALIBER BULLETS, with at least two of those hits causing grievous injury, and he continued the fight as if he had not even been hit at all! In fact he was strutting like a peacock who owned the place as he was walking up and down the aisles trying to get to a position where he could shoot the GO. As a gun owner, you need to be prepared for that eventuality and keep shooting the BG in his center of mass until he stops his attack. Don't think one shot, or even two shots, are going to do it. And a head shot might well be what it takes to stop such an attack quickly.
* If you are out of ammunition, a gun does make a great weapon with which to bludgeon someone in hand-to-hand combat.
* This shooting bolstered both sides of the argument about how much ammunition one should carry. The good guy got off only four shots (of course his gun had a broken trigger and that didn't help). The bad guy got off six shots and ran out of ammunition (thankfully). But in my mind, and having had some advanced training, I think an extra magazine for a semi-auto, or a reloader for a revolver, is a good idea. WIth someone like the BG above, if you run out of ammunition before he does, he will execute you. Period.
 

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With reading the update, I can say I totally agree with you guys in that I would have drawn as I ducked for cover and "shot to the threat ended!"
 

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Important lessons:

Prepare to fight all the way to the end. Don't expect that the BG will drop right away.

As have been discussed here many times, carry extra ammo or better yet carry a double stack gun if you can.

And lastly, as hard as it might seem, don't give up the advantage to a BG who has already demonstrated that he is not afraid to use his weapon. At some point your going to have to unleash ugly and let your decent side go away for awhile.
 

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Important lessons:

Prepare to fight all the way to the end. Don't expect that the BG will drop right away.

As have been discussed here many times, carry extra ammo or better yet carry a double stack gun if you can.

And lastly, as hard as it might seem, don't give up the advantage to a BG who has already demonstrated that he is not afraid to use his weapon. At some point your going to have to unleash ugly and let your decent side go away for awhile.
:thumsup Ugly also better be close to the surface and ready at any time to step forward get to work. I don't believe most people have a propensity for the violence that's necessary, hence the hesitation to act, at least momentarily which is a proven way to take a dirt nap.

You can't be playing softball in the major leagues or you're in the wrong game.
 
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