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I was just watching some show on the travel channel about Miami airport. This airport cop pulls over a speeder who answers "yeah" when asked if he had any weapons in the car. The officer proceeds to clear the weapon and says into the camera something to the effect of:
"The gun was loaded with a full magazine but lucky for him there was no round in the chamber. If there had been a round in the chamber he would have faced severe consequences and gone to jail".

Since when is it illegal to carry one in the pipe?
 

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I was just watching some show on the travel channel about Miami airport. This airport cop pulls over a speeder who answers "yeah" when asked if he had any weapons in the car. The officer proceeds to clear the weapon and says into the camera something to the effect of:
"The gun was loaded with a full magazine but lucky for him there was no round in the chamber. If there had been a round in the chamber he would have faced severe consequences and gone to jail".

Since when is it illegal to carry one in the pipe?
Officer didn't know what he was talking about.
 

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I was just watching some show on the travel channel about Miami airport. This airport cop pulls over a speeder who answers "yeah" when asked if he had any weapons in the car. The officer proceeds to clear the weapon and says into the camera something to the effect of:
"The gun was loaded with a full magazine but lucky for him there was no round in the chamber. If there had been a round in the chamber he would have faced severe consequences and gone to jail".

Since when is it illegal to carry one in the pipe?
I saw the same show, that was one big mouthed dumbazz know nothing urban cop who was talking out of his butt, I'd love to find out who he is, find his boss and get him retrained.
there is nothing wrong with carrying the gun the way he was, chambered or not
 

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I saw the same show, that was one big mouthed dumbazz know nothing urban cop who was talking out of his butt, I'd love to find out who he is, find his boss and get him retrained.
there is nothing wrong with carrying the gun the way he was, chambered or not
Yeah I found myself yelling at the TV like a fool. Sadly, he probably would have had that poor SOB laid out spread eagle on the ground as he played TJ Hooker only to find out his head was firmly up his fourth point of contact.
 

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I remember an episode of Policewomen of Broward County (Broward I think....) they pulled over a speeder, he was carrying. They took possession of his SR9c and started spouting drivel about the "rules" and lecture the driver. All the while this idiot was waving around a LOADED pistol like it was nothing. Could see the loaded chamber indicator on it.
 

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People lose their minds when they get in front of a TV camera. They go Hollywood and start shooting for an Oscar. I'm ready for my close=up, Mr. de Mille
 

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In some states the statutes specify different rules for "loaded" and "unloaded" firearms. The definition of loaded also varies by state.

The law of primacy says that what is learned first is learned best. It takes 9 times longer to RE-teach than it does to teach. I speculate that sometime in the past this officer worked in a different state, or had a trainer who worked in a different state.

OR, he could just be stupid. By definition half the cops out there graduated in the bottom 50th percentile of their academy class. Not picking on cops, same can be said about doctors or lawyers.

Just sad that we can pick our doctors and lawyers, but you get no choice in who stops you on a dark and stormy night. Best thing is to just not call attention to yourself. (sarcastic dialect intentional)

ETA for MAC:

In other words...

Because we don’t know if the officer conducting our traffic stop is familiar with the Florida State Statutes relative to firearms, or our possession of said firearms in accordance with 790.25, 790.06 and/or other pertinent chapters, we would be prudent to avoid a traffic stop, by not doing anything to cause the office to develop a RAS let alone PC.

Just Sayin!
 

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OR, he could just be stupid.
this!! i
f you saw the episode there would be no question.
what the laws are in other states means nothing to me, I am in FLA, he is an officer of the law in FLA and he needs retraining, not only in this area of the law but in overall professionalism which was severely in very short supply.
 

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I have seen this on many shows they spout and rant alot of anti-gun BS like a 1920's politician on a soap box , they should read gutmacher's book .
 

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People lose their minds when they get in front of a TV camera. They go Hollywood and start shooting for an Oscar. I'm ready for my close=up, Mr. de Mille
Agree. Take an ordinarily competent, level-headed person and shine a television camera at them and you'll see stuff you wouldn't ordinarily see.
 

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Keep the comments to the specific topic folks, the ONE officer on the show.
 

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In some states the statutes specify different rules for "loaded" and "unloaded" firearms. The definition of loaded also varies by state.

The law of primacy says that what is learned first is learned best. It takes 9 times longer to RE-teach than it does to teach. I speculate that sometime in the past this officer worked in a different state, or had a trainer who worked in a different state.

OR, he could just be stupid. By definition half the cops out there graduated in the bottom 50th percentile of their academy class. Not picking on cops, same can be said about doctors or lawyers.

Just sad that we can pick our doctors and lawyers, but you get no choice in who stops you on a dark and stormy night. Best thing is to just not call attention to yourself. (sarcastic dialect intentional)

Just Sayin!
I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt on this post, until I got to the end. That has got to be the dumbest thing that I have ever heard. I'm sure that criminals would love to be able to pick the dumbest. most inexperienced LEO in the world to stop them during the commission of a crime. And, realistically, we DO pick our LEOs. They are hired by people accountable to elected politicians, who are accountable to us. Law enforcement is the most closely monitored profession in the world. Almost every action by a LEO is evaluated by the courts, the officer's superiors, the media and the general public. A doctor amputates your leg and it is strictly between you, the doctor and your insurance company, and all they care about is how much the procedure is going to cost them. An officer makes an arrest and it is evaluated by that officer's superiors, the prosecuting attorney, the defense attorney, the judge and jury, the media and the arrested person's family.

One thing to remember about all reality shows, and even "documentary" type shows, they are all edited for airing. Things are taken out of context, dialog and action are sometimes directed and the participants are more actors than actual participants. Most experienced, professional LEOs avoid being involved with these shows like the plague. This might give you an idea of the quality of the officer who is usually involved. Don't beleive everything you see on television, even news footage.
 

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that is one big chip you're toting around there bud.

If I may try to speak for title3 I think what he was inferring was that you can choose whom you do business with but if you have to have an interaction with law enforcement because of the immediacy of events you don't get to pick and choose the cop who will respond. you may wind up with a rookie on his first call or you may wind up with a guy who is working his last shift after umpteen years on the job.


is it a full moon today?
 

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that is one big chip you're toting around there bud.

If I may try to speak for title3 I think what he was inferring was that you can choose whom you do business with but if you have to have an interaction with law enforcement because of the immediacy of events you don't get to pick and choose the cop who will respond. you may wind up with a rookie on his first call or you may wind up with a guy who is working his last shift after umpteen years on the job.




is it a full moon today?
My chip is no bigger that many of those on the other side of the cop bashing issue.

What you don't seem to grasp is that citizens do not "do business" with law enforcement. LEOs work for society by enforcing laws. They are not employed to perform a personal service for the individual. I am sure that a person who comes under the scrutiny of a law enforcement officer for a violation of law [potential or actual] desires that officer to be sympathetic to them, rather than to the needs and desires of society at large. That would let a lot of criminals sleep easier at night, I'm sure.

LEOs are supposed to meet certain standards of performance, nothing more. Guaranteeing that they meet them is the responsibility of the elected officials who command those agencies or are in a controlling oversight position. These elected officials work for YOU. So, if you have a problem with a LEO's performance, perhaps you should direct your concerns to his boss, your elected official. There are currently three threads that either started out as negative indictments of LEOs or rapidly turned in that direction. That is not my doing.

It might be nice if society could afford to train people for 8 years before they place them into a position to perform their jobs, as they do with doctors [6 years with lawyers, 4years with teachers]. But, this is not economically feasible, especially when the salary range of a LEO runs from $25,000 to $80,000 a year. What that means is that LEOs will have a varying level of knowledge and experience. You might get the grizzled veteran with decades of experience or you might get the rookie in his first week alone.
 

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LE took my weapon once. It was all very professional and I had no problem with it. They just want to go home at the end of their shift without soiling their tighty whities. I called 911 when it seemed a home invasion was going down on us. I told the 911 operator I was legally armed, hoping that would speed up response time. It didn't. Sheriff's dept 2 miles away (Key West) and a 35 minute response??? Anyway all ended well, phone they called me from was stolen from Broward and never used again and they didn't show up. This was after two unsolved home invasions in about a month.
 

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I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt on this post, until I got to the end. That has got to be the dumbest thing that I have ever heard. I'm sure that criminals would love to be able to pick the dumbest. most inexperienced LEO in the world to stop them during the commission of a crime. And, realistically, we DO pick our LEOs. They are hired by people accountable to elected politicians, who are accountable to us. Law enforcement is the most closely monitored profession in the world. Almost every action by a LEO is evaluated by the courts, the officer's superiors, the media and the general public. A doctor amputates your leg and it is strictly between you, the doctor and your insurance company, and all they care about is how much the procedure is going to cost them. An officer makes an arrest and it is evaluated by that officer's superiors, the prosecuting attorney, the defense attorney, the judge and jury, the media and the arrested person's family.

One thing to remember about all reality shows, and even "documentary" type shows, they are all edited for airing. Things are taken out of context, dialog and action are sometimes directed and the participants are more actors than actual participants. Most experienced, professional LEOs avoid being involved with these shows like the plague. This might give you an idea of the quality of the officer who is usually involved. Don't beleive everything you see on television, even news footage.
Mac,

OK, let me try this again without the attempt a humor...

Because we don’t know if the officer conducting our traffic stop is familiar with the Florida State Statutes relative to firearms, or our possession of said firearms in accordance with 790.25, 790.06 and/or other pertinent chapters, we would be prudent to avoid a traffic stop, by not doing anything to cause the office to develop a RAS let alone PC.

Just Sayin!
 

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Mac,

OK, let me try this again without the attempt a humor...

Because we don’t know if the officer conducting our traffic stop is familiar with the Florida State Statutes relative to firearms, or our possession of said firearms in accordance with 790.25, 790.06 and/or other pertinent chapters, we would be prudent to avoid a traffic stop, by not doing anything to cause the office to develop a RAS let alone PC.

Just Sayin!
It is always a good idea not to VIOLATE the traffic laws. Contrary to popular belief, they were not enacted to annoy the public or to generate revenue. But, contrary to all of the "horror" stories spread by gun and anti-law enforcement activists, few CWFL holders are subjected to harrassment and even fewer are subject to arrest for lawfully carrying a concealed firearm.
 

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It is always a good idea not to VIOLATE the traffic laws. Contrary to popular belief, they were not enacted to annoy the public or to generate revenue. But, contrary to all of the "horror" stories spread by gun and anti-law enforcement activists, few CWFL holders are subjected to harrassment and even fewer are subject to arrest for lawfully carrying a concealed firearm.
And thus we agree. It is always a good idea to not violate the law and possibly subject ourself, as small as the chances may be, to harassment or arrest for lawfully carrying a firearm.
 
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