Accuracy: Training vs. Real Life

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PaulJ

Discussion Starter · Jun 25, 2009

The decision to shoot depends in my opinion on your chances of success. You have a bad guy with gun approaching you. If you pull the gun and start shooting, you will draw return fire for sure if you miss. Not shooting, or waiting, may be a better option if you are not sure of your ability to hit the target.

During Brownie's class this spring, we talked a lot about that you don't need stellar accuracy to be effective, and I totally agree with that. But how much will your accuracy degrade if you are under stress. I don't think you can safely simulate that at the range.

I have seen numbers that say "your groups will double in size". But this is more for sighted shooting. What about point shooting? It seems more instinctive and shouldn't degrade that much. Does anybody have any experience? Should we assume the first round misses?

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SwampRat

· #2 · Jun 25, 2009

One word...HESITATION ..will get you DEAD..take it from there..

brownie

· #3 · Jun 25, 2009

FoF with airsofts has proven that hits on the move with the instinctive skills I train others in is not degrading, making torso hits at typical combative ranges has not been found to be difficult.

T.S.

· #4 · Jun 25, 2009

PaulJ said:
The decision to shoot depends in my opinion on your chances of success. You have a bad guy with gun approaching you. If you pull the gun and start shooting, you will draw return fire for sure if you miss. Not shooting, or waiting, may be a better option if you are not sure of your ability to hit the target.

During Brownie's class this spring, we talked a lot about that you don't need stellar accuracy to be effective, and I totally agree with that. But how much will your accuracy degrade if you are under stress. I don't think you can safely simulate that at the range.

I have seen numbers that say "your groups will double in size". But this is more for sighted shooting. What about point shooting? It seems more instinctive and shouldn't degrade that much. Does anybody have any experience? Should we assume the first round misses?

Well, this is an interesting post for sure ...

IMHO, ones accuracy will definitely be affected by the stress of another person firing at one ...

As far as point shooting vs. sight shooting, again IMHO, if and when one is involved in a defensive situation where one must use their firearm, a " Center of Mass " hold is the one which will be the most successful. Any near misses will still hit heart, lungs, etc.

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Rvrctyrngr

· #5 · Jun 26, 2009

opcorn

MamaBear

· #6 · Jun 26, 2009

TampaSsgt said:
IMHO, ones accuracy will definitely be affected by the stress of another person firing at one ...

Reminds me of a Winston Churchill quote:

"Nothing in life is so exhilarating as to be shot at without result."

brownie

· #7 · Jun 26, 2009

MamaBear said:
Reminds me of a Winston Churchill quote:

"Nothing in life is so exhilarating as to be shot at without result."

I concur, and you should see how fast you can move under fire too

Brownie

Standby

· #8 · Jun 28, 2009

"Nothing in life is so exhilarating as to be shot at without result."

Got to Love Winnie!

I agree but (in my experience) can also be replaced with “nothing can make you appreciate life more, than seeing death close at hand”

SwampRat

· #9 · Jun 28, 2009

Or.."The closer to death, the more exhilarating is life..and that comes from a true adrenaline junky...we have a saying in the Dirt oval racing world.."Pedal to the metal until you see the face of GOD, then...Turn left..

Standby

· #10 · Jun 29, 2009

SwampRat said:
Or.."The closer to death, the more exhilarating is life..and that comes from a true adrenaline junky...we have a saying in the Dirt oval racing world.."Pedal to the metal until you see the face of GOD, then...Turn left..

LOL:clap:drinks Like it!

jeiber

· #11 · Jul 31, 2009

Do as many pushups as you can, then do ten more. Jump up, quickly load a magazine, chamber a round, and engage a target as quickly as you can. Begin shooting from the hip and continue to shoot as you bring your left (or right) hand up to your normal grip. Note the bold words. It's critical that you perform this as close to 'panic' speeds as possible. Otherwise, you're just cheating yourself.

Go check your target. Repeat at various distances, and you'll have a pretty good idea of your shot group in a stressful situation.

Jeff

MRBARRY

· #12 · Jul 31, 2009

SwampRat said:
One word...HESITATION ..will get you DEAD..take it from there..

+1... succintly put and I'm in total agreement. Analysis Paralysis=BAD

Moylan1850

· #13 · Jul 31, 2009 (Edited)

Gotta find an outdoor range

jeiber said:
Do as many pushups as you can, then do ten more. Jump up, quickly load a magazine, chamber a round, and engage a target as quickly as you can. Begin shooting from the hip and continue to shoot as you bring your left (or right) hand up to your normal grip. Note the bold words. It's critical that you perform this as close to 'panic' speeds as possible.

Step 2 - Get kicked out of Gun Range

I'm going to have to find a nice range in the great outdoors :drinks

Soverign

· #14 · Aug 1, 2009

Once my brother and I did such a drill using a dead Aerostar van as the target. We got "amped up" and ran parallel to the car calling shots out. I dumped a whole mag aiming at the drivers compartment. I instead grazed the roof. Had the target been above the sun roof then I did ok. So we repeated the drill a few more times and I got my aim much better.
Man I miss those times of setting up shots for each other to "run and gun" that was always a blast.

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fuzzy03cls

· #15 · Aug 1, 2009

I'm starting to use outdoor ranges for pistol use more. The outdoor air makes things very different then indoor range shooting.
I practice both eyes open point shooting, 1 hand point shooting. Weak hand shooting. I even close my eyes a few times while doing double taps to see if I can stay on target.
I'm improving.

MRBARRY

· #16 · Aug 1, 2009

fuzzy03cls said:
I'm starting to use outdoor ranges for pistol use more. The outdoor air makes things very different then indoor range shooting.

I only have outdoor ranges (2) available in my area. I'm sure I don't have to tell anyone here the Florida heat can get, well... hot! And it can get mighty chilly up here in the Panhandle in winter as well. Then of course there's the rain, which they will let you shoot in as long as it's not lightening. However, I also know that a SD situation may not happen in a climate controlled environment, and I'm of a mindset to make use of these different elements in my practice/training.

And besides, it never hurts to seek a positive in any given situation.

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