[LevelG27]

I was up the other night watching a SD type training for females (no firearms in the course). I wish I could remember the name of the program but I caught the end of the show.

I wanted to watch it to see if it would be typical self defense course. It wasn't. There was a special part of the training the females had to endure before they passed the course but they had no idea what it was or when it was coming or if anything at all was going to happen...Sorry for the long lead in but I have to mention the big parts....

So they all thanked the instructor as the training was over (it was a month long training program locally where ever they lived) and the women went back to their normal daily life. The instructor let a month go by to see if the females retained the training the got by setting up a real life mugging (It would be the instructor and his partner who would do the mugging with law enforcement knowing what was to take place as they would be at the mugging also.) Now they had my attention.

** I can only assume there had to be some legal paper work signed before classes started for these females...Law enforcement was in on the training so were husbands and boyfriends they actually helped set up the females...and the store and its parking where she did real shopping had to be in on it******

So the instructor and his partner sat in a parking lot on T.V. It was dark and they knew the female was inside coming out to the parking lot so they got into position and waited for her to get near her car. The instructors put on black ski masks and were wearing some protective gear themselves under their clothes.

About 10 feet before she gets to her car they run up from behind and grab her, shaking her, head lock from behind, hand over her mouth and tried to drag her into a van that pulled up. They wanted it to be like a mugging short of really hurting her but they did rough her up and they paid for new groceries.lol It was all part of the "real life experience" they wanted her to go through.

Whether it was human instinct or what she was taught in this training course she fought and defended herself to the instructors satisfaction. I was impressed myself!

Then they stopped and took the ski masks off and she just fell to her knees crying almost passing out as you could imagine. My heart was racing as well. She had to be helped to her feet she was in shock. I felt bad for her but hey that is life and can happen and does happen all the time. It happend to me twice before.

The following day she gave her post interview and she came to tears once again with instructors by her side, husband in the background..(In my opinion she had to sign off on some big time legal issues. Especially emotional damage) As she talked about it during her post interview she had nightmares that night and was aware she probably will continue to have them.

Only thing besides the training class/mugging "the overall course" the instructors said she did a great job once she was getting mugged HOWEVER they said the mugging was going to happen regardless and that she would have been in a better position to fight them off had she done better job of looking before she got into her car.

The instructors said she (all in post interview) had to do a better job at being aware of her surroundings. The instructors said the training is not for every female as they will have flash backs of the night of the fake mugging but it is a lesson needed. She said she was afraid to walk outside (kind of jokingly) but said she will with out a doubt look at her surroundings.

I tried to shorten the last 10 minute ending of the show but this is long enough.

I am just reporting what I saw. Agree or disagree but they did this to each female in the course believe it or not.

P.S- This show had to be older just because of everyone's hair style and clothing. Even the police officers had old gear on. IMO it was from the 80's.

 

[Steve48]

It's a good thing the lady didn't decide to start to conceal carry during the month prior to the "final examination". Someone could have ended up dead.

 

[T.S.]

Then they stopped and took the ski masks off and she just fell to her knees crying almost passing out as you could imagine. My heart was racing as well. She had to be helped to her feet she was in shock. I felt bad for her but hey that is life and can happen and does happen all the time. It happend to me twice before.

I can see where they wanted the training to be realistic, but wow!!

I just wonder what the lady said to her husband/boyfriend who helped set the situation up? :smack

 

[steve66]

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I just wonder what the lady said to her husband/boyfriend who helped set the situation up? :smack

I wonder if they are still together

 

[FLRon]

Personally, I don't think you need to club someone over the head to make them realize what a beating feels like. Similarly, you can make a strong impression without terrorizing a person.

Good teachers can have great impact, be informative, and effective without going to that extreme.

IMHO, it's unnecessarily heavy handed.

 

[LevelG27]

It's a good thing the lady didn't decide to start to conceal carry during the month prior to the "final examination". Someone could have ended up dead.

Yea I thought a lot about that also....Who knows it could of been actors for all I know....but from what I gathered from the SD show was a serious tone on the females part. They knew it was going to be agressive and signed up for it. I'm sure their significant other had a lot to do with the day the mugging was to take place. i.e- no gun on them etc.

As for how much they knew a "sort of" real life mugging was going to happen? I don't know. Another female on the show wanted to take the course cause a friend of hers got raped.

 

[brownie]

Years ago, back around 1995, my wife would walk our Akita every night for her last out for the evening. She repeatedly walked on the wrong side of the road where there were bushes and I told her to walk the other side on the sidewalk as it gave her some awareness on that side.

She just went about her routine on the wrong side of the road telling me the dog would let her know if someone was around. I told her to take a flashlight as well and not walk on that side, it was inviting trouble, but she continued to do it her way.

One night I was in my sweats in the recliner and she got the Akita ready to go out. I told her again to take the flashlight and walk on the sidewalk across the street. She didn't say anything and left.

I gave her 10 minutes to get up the street with the dog and went out and hid in the shadows in the bushes just up off our property. She came back down the street on our side, ignoring my request not to walk there due to the advantage any BG would be given.

She gets just past me on her way back to the house and I enter the street and hulk up like I'm stalking her. The Akita turned and stopped and she pulled on the dog leash telling her to "let's go". As I got closer, the dog did the same thing pulling up and stopping.

My wife finally turned around to see what the dog's attention was on, saw some man in the shadows moving toward her. I rushed her when she noticed me and she started screaming for me and running, dragging the Akita along.

She got in front of the house into the spot lights shining in the driveway and saw it was me. Scared the crap out of her, she started to sob uncontrollably while punching/beating on me.

I let her get that aggression out and calm down a little and told her that was her lesson for the night, and not to walk on that side of the road again, it could have been for real and I would not hear her from inside the house.

No flashlight, wrong side of the road, relying on the dog to warn her were all the wrong things to do when she didn't have to. From then on, when I suggested she do something different for her own safety, she listened very intently and did as I asked. A hard lesson without serious consequences got her attention and solved the mistakes she was making before it happened in the real world.

There's another story about the grocery store, better left for another time.

IMHO, it's unnecessarily heavy handed.

Sometimes the party just refuses to listen. In my wife's case, the lessons learned with me were better than lessons learned on the streets with some real BG.

Brownie

 

[FLRon]

Notice to those about to take Brownie's class... watch your back!

(just joking of course)

 

[LevelG27]

Brownie....That is impressive I must say....The more I read your posts the more I gain respect for and of what you do. Not that anyone needs or cares about my respect but to me personally it is important.

All to often I see wanna be gurus out to make a dollar by training someone "fly-by-night" in SD. I see the care in all your posts and for your students.

You did that to your wife because you care. It is not over the top not even close. I bet those that think so would take that little "warning" over a loved one gone missing or raped.

All to often it takes some thing bad happening to someone to wake up. Life can be cruel and no one is immune from the disgusting things that are right around the corner.

Seperate from my regular fights in the school yard I was jumped/mugged twice in my life and your methods behind your SD posts fit, describe to the "T", if I knew at the time what I know now.. I could probably have avoided them had I been aware of my surroundings

Since the last mugging I have not been in another one. Lucky? Perhaps but I think in part strategy to avoid surroundings, if possible, that MAY set myself up for another one....

Years ago, back around 1995, my wife would walk our Akita every night for her last out for the evening. She repeatedly walked on the wrong side of the road where there were bushes and I told her to walk the other side on the sidewalk as it gave her some awareness on that side.

She just went about her routine on the wrong side of the road telling me the dog would let her know if someone was around. I told her to take a flashlight as well and not walk on that side, it was inviting trouble, but she continued to do it her way.

One night I was in my sweats in the recliner and she got the Akita ready to go out. I told her again to take the flashlight and walk on the sidewalk across the street. She didn't say anything and left.

I gave her 10 minutes to get up the street with the dog and went out and hid in the shadows in the bushes just up off our property. She came back down the street on our side, ignoring my request not to walk there due to the advantage any BG would be given.

She gets just past me on her way back to the house and I enter the street and hulk up like I'm stalking her. The Akita turned and stopped and she pulled on the dog leash telling her to "let's go". As I got closer, the dog did the same thing pulling up and stopping.

My wife finally turned around to see what the dog's attention was on, saw some man in the shadows moving toward her. I rushed her when she noticed me and she started screaming for me and running, dragging the Akita along.

She got in front of the house into the spot lights shining in the driveway and saw it was me. Scared the crap out of her, she started to sob uncontrollably while punching/beating on me.

I let her get that aggression out and calm down a little and told her that was her lesson for the night, and not to walk on that side of the road again, it could have been for real and I would not hear her from inside the house.

No flashlight, wrong side of the road, relying on the dog to warn her were all the wrong things to do when she didn't have to. From then on, when I suggested she do something different for her own safety, she listened very intently and did as I asked. A hard lesson without serious consequences got her attention and solved the mistakes she was making before it happened in the real world.

There's another story about the grocery store, better left for another time.

IMHO, it's unnecessarily heavy handed.

Sometimes the party just refuses to listen. In my wife's case, the lessons learned with me were better than lessons learned on the streets with some real BG.

Brownie

 

[T.S.]

She got in front of the house into the spot lights shining in the driveway and saw it was me. Scared the crap out of her, she started to sob uncontrollably while punching/beating on me.

I let her get that aggression out and calm down a little and told her that was her lesson for the night,

So Brownie, was the couch comfortable to sleep on that night?

 

[brownie]

Before I met my wife, she was alive by accident. Had traveled the world [ literally ] for 22 years and had not been mugged, robbed or so much as approached with bad things.

She figured it would never happen to her, and didn't take her own security/safety that seriously. She'd never been scared like that in her life, and that's what it took to wake her up to the dangers that may be present at any time.

You should see her now though after 15 years with me. I can't even sneak up on her in our own house and get within 4 feet of her and she knows I'm there, even when she's relaxing in her office watching TV.

I used to get her all the time, it was a game, and that game has now given her the ability to be conscious of her surroundings. I couldn't have it any other way with her traveling the world every week like she did.

I didn't sleep on the couch that night TampaSsgt, she understood the lesson had to be taught and realized her vulnerability and mortality that night. She's been great in the area of both her own and the house security since.

My own OCD won't have it any other way with someone I'm living with.:rolf

Brownie

 

[brownie]

The Akita would have taken care of business if I'd been a real unknown and threatening her momma at a closer distance. That's why I had to hang back enough so my Akita didn't give me away by wagging her butt and tail too much

sounds like he isn't even scared of his wife

If push comes to shove, she's the boss, wouldn't have it any other way :thumsup

Brownie