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Feel free to jump in with your idea of a choke hold, as there's several ways to choke someone out.

Ever choked someone out? Either in training or on the streets?

1. Which choke holds work best?
2. Which are more apt to create medical issues for the person choked
 

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Feel free to jump in with your idea of a choke hold, as there's several ways to choke someone out.

Ever choked someone out? Either in training or on the streets?

1. Which choke holds work best?
2. Which are more apt to create medical issues for the person choked
A carotid choke is the most dangerous. Another name for it is a blood choke. It also is the quickest to apply and quickest to achieve the goal.
 

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A carotid choke is the most dangerous. Another name for it is a blood choke. It also is the quickest to apply and quickest to achieve the goal.
It rises to the level of lethal force if applied on me, given an existing medical condition. I'm literally fighting for my life if someone tries to apply it to me.
 

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I had the pleasure of watching my son learn a few for the two years he was doing BJJ. A rear naked choke or guillotine from behind worked quite well when done right and resulted in a quick tap out. He also learned a frontal neck choke that used your forearm crossed over the throat and the opponents gi collar. Both when done well resulted in a quick end or passing out which the instructors there never let happen when his opponent didn’t wanna tap. While I’ve never done either myself I watched them be done in person many times and could probably perform them if I had to.
He also learned a few other ways to make people submit. One of which was quick was the arm bar. Take em down, gain the mount, flip over and over extend their arm backwards between his legs. If done right to someone unknowing it’s over quick or ‘pop’ goes the elbow or shoulder.
Wish he’d go back
 

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It rises to the level of lethal force if applied on me, given an existing medical condition. I'm literally fighting for my life if someone tries to apply it to me.
It is in fact lethal force if held for a certain time. Normally 20 seconds or so.
 

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It is in fact lethal force if held for a certain time. Normally 20 seconds or so.
I saw a kids eyes roll back in his head because he didn’t want to tap out when my son was applying one. Instructor had to tell my son to let off. Kid woulda for sure passed out at least.
 

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Used several in Judo for 9 years. Choked some out & been choked out. Trained with a guy ( service brat ) that grew up in Japan & trained on grass mats! This guy could choke you out standing, sitting, kneeling, walking, running, didn’t matter, he was awesome!! 😆 My instructor was VERY adamant about not holding it any longer than for submission, be it voluntarily or involuntarily. He was always right there to make sure everyone was ok afterwards. I hated the headache afterwards!
 

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i couldnt testify to the best or most effective...only that i put a reverse choke (him on all fours face down with me on my knees facing him...the back of his head against my chest while i wrapped around cartoid style) on another student when i was in high school and he was helpless against it...probably a good thing my friends pulled me off of him or my life would have taken a poor turn...

as far as defense...i was taken by surprise in a choke hold from behind (again as a teen) and was starting to see black and white when i kicked up and came back with a heel to his shin and broke it...resulting in another time i had to be peeled off a guy...it was a dad meeting after that with my dad explaining the other's son was lucky all i broke was a leg after his son tried to choke me out as a prank...
 

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Used several in Judo for 9 years. Choked some out & been choked out. Trained with a guy ( service brat ) that grew up in Japan & trained on grass mats! This guy could choke you out standing, sitting, kneeling, walking, running, didn’t matter, he was awesome!! 😆 My instructor was VERY adamant about not holding it any longer than for submission, be it voluntarily or involuntarily. He was always right there to make sure everyone was ok afterwards. I hated the headache afterwards!
We were practicing chokes on Sunday afternoon [ one of my co workers ]. We hold out to just before passing out then tap out. Everything was just fine after about 15 minutes of working on each other.

I leave to go have dinner with the girlfriend at her parents house [ it was mandatory his 5 daughters and 2 sons attended every sunday, big family dining table sat everyone easily. Feeling fine, having a great dinner some 3 hours after the training.

Got up from the table, got 4-5 steps and without any notice, I passed out. Fell straight back and hit my head causing bleeding from both ears [ not good ]. I woke up to the old man standing over me and asking me if I was okay. Head was ringing like a church bell, serious headache.

Someone had called an ambulance which arrived a few minutes after I came to. I'd stayed laying on my back at the request of the old man. They took me to the local hospital where they discovered I had a severe concussion. Order the girlfriend to not allow me to sleep for at least the next 18 hours. Of course I got back to her fathers place and went up stairs to lay down, telling everyone I understood the risks but I was going to sleep for awhile anyway.

So, when you get someone near passing out in a choke, there can be residual affects if you're not smart enough to tap out before you're nearly out. I've put quite a few turds to sleep on the streets working in uniform. As I mentioned elsewhere, I didn't feel the need to be tap dancing with some asshat who was going to resist my taking them into custody, so when opportunities presented to get the choke on them, that's what I did. And when the life faded from them enough I set them down, rolled them over and cuffed em by the time they could recover.

As others have stated, you hold it enough time until you feel the resistance fade to compliance, or as soon as they have gone unconscious. Hold it any longer than necessary to affect the results you want, looking at potential harming them permanently or killing them. All the chokes I put on people to gain compliance were against academy training rules [ no chokes to be applied under any conditions ] and thus against dept SOP policies. Never heard one complaint from the dept, nor the turds who were put to sleep, but remained uninjured.

Gotta know when the hold, and know when to fold em. They were deemed illegal because most street cops don't know when it's time to let em go.
 

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We were practicing chokes on Sunday afternoon [ one of my co workers ]. We hold out to just before passing out then tap out. Everything was just fine after about 15 minutes of working on each other.

I leave to go have dinner with the girlfriend at her parents house [ it was mandatory his 5 daughters and 2 sons attended every sunday, big family dining table sat everyone easily. Feeling fine, having a great dinner some 3 hours after the training.

Got up from the table, got 4-5 steps and without any notice, I passed out. Fell straight back and hit my head causing bleeding from both ears [ not good ]. I woke up to the old man standing over me and asking me if I was okay. Head was ringing like a church bell, serious headache.

Someone had called an ambulance which arrived a few minutes after I came to. I'd stayed laying on my back at the request of the old man. They took me to the local hospital where they discovered I had a severe concussion. Order the girlfriend to not allow me to sleep for at least the next 18 hours. Of course I got back to her fathers place and went up stairs to lay down, telling everyone I understood the risks but I was going to sleep for awhile anyway.

So, when you get someone near passing out in a choke, there can be residual affects if you're not smart enough to tap out before you're nearly out. I've put quite a few turds to sleep on the streets working in uniform. As I mentioned elsewhere, I didn't feel the need to be tap dancing with some asshat who was going to resist my taking them into custody, so when opportunities presented to get the choke on them, that's what I did. And when the life faded from them enough I set them down, rolled them over and cuffed em by the time they could recover.

As others have stated, you hold it enough time until you feel the resistance fade to compliance, or as soon as they have gone unconscious. Hold it any longer than necessary to affect the results you want, looking at potential harming them permanently or killing them. All the chokes I put on people to gain compliance were against academy training rules [ no chokes to be applied under any conditions ] and thus against dept SOP policies. Never heard one complaint from the dept, nor the turds who were put to sleep, but remained uninjured.

Gotta know when the hold, and know when to fold em. They were deemed illegal because most street cops don't know when it's time to let em go.
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Sadly I think most cops nowadays wouldn’t know how to properly choke somebody. And if they did with all the phones that would get whipped out and record it even if they could they probably wouldn’t for fear of being the leading headline.
Glad you’re ok. Musta been kinda worrying to go thru that.
 

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Sadly I think most cops nowadays wouldn’t know how to properly choke somebody. And if they did with all the phones that would get whipped out and record it even if they could they probably wouldn’t for fear of being the leading headline.
Glad you’re ok. Musta been kinda worrying to go thru that.
Most leo's don't have the knowledge of how to choke because they are outlawed by the states academies and SOP's for over 20-30 years that I'm aware of. They were illegal in 91 so at least that long.

I learned various chokes at Sionics in 81, added to the choke taught me by the Marines back in 1970. I came to prefer one choke over all others as it always worked once applied without permanent damage or death. The one the Marine Corps taught me is more for making them cold forever, that's not something I'd use on the streets, of course.

I was quite surprised at the repercussions that day, because through the training and hours afterward, I felt perfectly fine. No more playing wait till you're almost passed out. In training, once the choke is affected and locked in, the person being choked knows it's working.
 

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Carotid chokes are used by cops, suffocating chokes are not. I never understood that. The blood choke is way more dangerous.
 

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Not many people familiar and trained on chokes here apparently. 90 members have read the thread and less than a handful have any idea how to affect a choke on someone let alone having done so in the real world. .
 

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Lets see if people might know some counters to the various chokes that can be applied. Certainly some of the students in the h2h/knife course remember the two ways I demonstrated and let the students play with.
 

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Welll just guessing since it’s not been practiced but maybe several foot-stomps with your heel. Or if it is a real confrontation and both their arms are occupied choking you a finger or thumb in their eye might make em let up?
guessing you really only have a few seconds before a good choke puts you out so either the above or I flick open my edk and jam it in their inner thigh and filet it.
 

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Not many people familiar and trained on chokes here apparently. 90 members have read the thread and less than a handful have any idea how to affect a choke on someone let alone having done so in the real world. .
True, those I know nothing about.

Lets see if people might know some counters to the various chokes that can be applied. Certainly some of the students in the h2h/knife course remember the two ways I demonstrated and let the students play with.
Those I remember.
 
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