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I thought about this one this past weekend while at the seminar. With the holidays coming up this is a very likely scenario:

You and your companion exit the mall and are walking in the parking lot to your car. You are armed and being vigilent but see no one around. Suddenly, a BG jumps out from behind a car and is in front of you holding a gun pointed at your companion. Your companion is not carrying and has no training. You are standing right beside him/her and the BG is about five feet away, demanding your money.

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give him my money. nothing is more important then my family. as for the rest of the scenario it will play out how it plays out. If I should get a chance to make a move I may but I would be certain my wife would be out of the way. and we all know it isnt the movies and they are not going to duck at the exact time to get out of the way when you draw.
 

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Give him or her the money. I don't own anything that is worth dying for. Protecting lives is one thing, property is another. At five feet whether you have a companion or not you are not going to draw and fire and be anything but dead if the BG is pointing a gun at you. Unless the BG is blind he isn't going to miss from 5 feet.
 

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"Discretion is the better part of valor." That being true, give him the money/wallet/purse, whatever. However, THAT doesn't guarantee he isn't the "no live witness" type of fool that is running around nowadays.

IF that seems likely, going down blazing may at least save your partner and keep others from a similar fate in the future. Some instances have no set or even good outcome. My old habit of walking with my hand on my pocketgun, concealed (we used to carry our service revolvers in our field jacket pockets while making buys, one with his pointed at the dealer or other participants) might give me the opportunity to shoot first. ( I usually do this going into parking garages, dark lots, etc. but have been doing it for nearly forty years and think it gives you an edge in those instances)
 

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Throw the money on the ground,
When he bands over to take it shoot him in the back of the head.

Kidding.
I don't know why; sounds like a good plan to me.

Actually, I would look wide-eyed past the BG and exclaim, "Holy : censored!" The when he turns to see what I'm freaking out over, I'd blast him.
 

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Non-issue, this day and state of economy we can only shop at Wally-world and if they wait until we come out the money is all gone. NO seriously! No malls and I look for feet under vehicles, and you had better be tying your shoes!
 

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give him my money. nothing is more important then my family. as for the rest of the scenario it will play out how it plays out. If I should get a chance to make a move I may but I would be certain my wife would be out of the way. and we all know it isnt the movies and they are not going to duck at the exact time to get out of the way when you draw.
I agree 100% "just take it easy buddy, here, here you go" and hand it over.

As he said, the rest will play itself out how it plays out. If everyone can go home with the same holes in them they left the house with, then I'm happy.

I'd get a desc and work to see if I can determine what car he is in, give a detailed desc for LE later on, but I'm not putting the fam in the middle of a shoot out.
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Once again, there is no single, simple answer for this situation. You have to make a decision on the fly. If your assessment of the situation leads you to believe that simply handing over the money will satisfy your assailant, then do so. If you feel that he will not be satisfied with that, then you have to make plans to defend your family and yourself. No matter what you decide to do, it may get messy.

Good luck.:thumsup
 

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I thought about this one this past weekend while at the seminar. With the holidays coming up this is a very likely scenario:

You and your companion exit the mall and are walking in the parking lot to your car. You are armed and being vigilent but see no one around. Suddenly, a BG jumps out from behind a car and is in front of you holding a gun pointed at your companion. Your companion is not carrying and has no training. You are standing right beside him/her and the BG is about five feet away, demanding your money.

What do you?
I'm standing right beside my better half? She's going to be immediately covered by taking one step into the line of his muzzle with my body. She gets to use me as a shield and move away quickly from the threat to the safest cover per my orders.

I'll not allow her to be muzzled for one second longer than necessary and deal with this puke myself. I've covered EP clients the same way during a potential threat. Once she's covered and continuing to move away, he gets to play with me [ I'll be talking to him and keeping his attention on me. She doesn't have the money, I do, stuff like that.

It'll play out from there however it plays out but my better half isn't going to be muzzled by anyone while I'm standing right beside her.
 

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That's the response I am looking for. Just because you comply with handing out the money doesn't make you or your companion one bit safer. How many times have you read about someone doing exactly as ordered by a BG and then getting blasted anyway?

What good is it if you're all decked out with your concealed gun, back-up gun, knife, stick of death, flashlight and extra mags and batteries if you submit unconditionally. I believe it's just as important that we discuss "egress" plans with family as it is to be proficient with gun fighting skills. Even if your other halves do not want anything to do with the firearms they need to know what to do when situations like these present themselves.
 

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I'm standing right beside my better half? She's going to be immediately covered by taking one step into the line of his muzzle with my body. She gets to use me as a shield and move away quickly from the threat to the safest cover per my orders.

I'll not allow her to be muzzled for one second longer than necessary and deal with this puke myself. I've covered EP clients the same way during a potential threat. Once she's covered and continuing to move away, he gets to play with me [ I'll be talking to him and keeping his attention on me. She doesn't have the money, I do, stuff like that.

It'll play out from there however it plays out but my better half isn't going to be muzzled by anyone while I'm standing right beside her.
Brownie,

I absolutely agree, they will not lay a hand on my wife or family if I still have the means to breathe, what ever the price, period.
 

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I'm standing right beside my better half? She's going to be immediately covered by taking one step into the line of his muzzle with my body. She gets to use me as a shield and move away quickly from the threat to the safest cover per my orders.

I'll not allow her to be muzzled for one second longer than necessary and deal with this puke myself. I've covered EP clients the same way during a potential threat. Once she's covered and continuing to move away, he gets to play with me [ I'll be talking to him and keeping his attention on me. She doesn't have the money, I do, stuff like that.

It'll play out from there however it plays out but my better half isn't going to be muzzled by anyone while I'm standing right beside her.
Good call. In my case, I am going to move forward and to an angle slightly away from the threat mouthing calming words of encouragement to him, if possible. This should draw my opponent's muzzle away from my wife and toward me. This does two things.
1) It transfers the BG's attention from my wife to me, getting her out from under the gun, so to speak, and provides distance between her and I.
2) It moves me closer to my opponent.

The second is important, because at that range, I am going H2H to attempt to disarm the BG or control his weapon. The first is important, because my wife is also always armed in public and has no compunctions about ventilating a deadly threat.

As Brownie has pointed out, it is very difficult to outrun a bullet. If I go down, my delicate little woman is going to neutralize the threat with extreme prejudice. And she favors headshots.

As a well known comedian said when advocating running to escape a threat, "train your woman to run too, so you don't have to go back for her." The same applies to arming them.:thumsup

But, that is just me. This may not work for you. You have to make a decision based upon the reality of your particular situation. Keep your options open and think.
 

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I'm with Brownie..having done my share of EP PP stuff you immediately protect the asset or client, in this case your wife. You can only do that by stepping in front and covering..for the most part, depending on the situation, at 5 feet I'm going to own him...gun or no gun..he's all mine...As Mac said though, if you have a 2 person team and each has trained for this, then you can split and draw attention..Its a well used BG tactic they use on GG's..usually 60deg split and draw attention to one or the other...
 

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You guys are all crazy. BG has my wife with a gun, I run and yell keep her. :laughing Oh God she might read this only joking honey. This is hard one to say for sure what I would do. But number 1 is I'm always looking for stuff like this when I'm going places. I know for sure I've bypassed trouble by just turning and going the other way.
 

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Throw the money on the ground,
When he bands over to take it shoot him in the back of the head.

Kidding.

Give him the money.

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I'm standing right beside my better half? She's going to be immediately covered by taking one step into the line of his muzzle with my body. She gets to use me as a shield and move away quickly from the threat to the safest cover per my orders.

I'll not allow her to be muzzled for one second longer than necessary and deal with this puke myself. I've covered EP clients the same way during a potential threat. Once she's covered and continuing to move away, he gets to play with me [ I'll be talking to him and keeping his attention on me. She doesn't have the money, I do, stuff like that.

It'll play out from there however it plays out but my better half isn't going to be muzzled by anyone while I'm standing right beside her.
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I'm standing right beside my better half? She's going to be immediately covered by taking one step into the line of his muzzle with my body. She gets to use me as a shield and move away quickly from the threat to the safest cover per my orders.

I'll not allow her to be muzzled for one second longer than necessary and deal with this puke myself. I've covered EP clients the same way during a potential threat. Once she's covered and continuing to move away, he gets to play with me [ I'll be talking to him and keeping his attention on me. She doesn't have the money, I do, stuff like that.

It'll play out from there however it plays out but my better half isn't going to be muzzled by anyone while I'm standing right beside her.

As always, Brownie, your answer is the best.

Immediately reducing the targets to one, puts the odds on your side.

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We both carry, and he has training. He has pushed me aside or behind him in the past. I usually have no idea why, but I know he has a good reason so I go along with it. He has a chage of tone in his voice when he is alerted to something, and everyone knows (even the kids) that it is no time for conversation or questions.

Last Christmas we were leaving the Edison Mall. We parked far from the building and walked. As we left the store with the bags on the stroller, he told me to take the wheel and push the kids, then he had us walk about ten yards past the truck and circle around. Sure enough, there was a van full of men up to no good. He put the truck between us and had us all get in from the driver's side. The kids were confused. Then I could tell they were watching us. It was scary. We left quickly.

Some women have a bad habit of asking questions instead of just listening and complying. When I'm told to move to my husband's other side, or to walk around the corner, or speed up, I just do it. I know some other women start to ask questions or argue. I've seen my friends to this.

Then again, when he asks me for a glass of scotch he gets it. In fact, I don't think he's ever seen the inside of the dishwasher.

To answer the question, I think I would watch his lead and then act.
 

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We both carry, and he has training. He has pushed me aside or behind him in the past. I usually have no idea why, but I know he has a good reason so I go along with it. He has a chage of tone in his voice when he is alerted to something, and everyone knows (even the kids) that it is no time for conversation or questions.

Last Christmas we were leaving the Edison Mall. We parked far from the building and walked. As we left the store with the bags on the stroller, he told me to take the wheel and push the kids, then he had us walk about ten yards past the truck and circle around. Sure enough, there was a van full of men up to no good. He put the truck between us and had us all get in from the driver's side. The kids were confused. Then I could tell they were watching us. It was scary. We left quickly.

Some women have a bad habit of asking questions instead of just listening and complying. When I'm told to move to my husband's other side, or to walk around the corner, or speed up, I just do it. I know some other women start to ask questions or argue. I've seen my friends to this.

Then again, when he asks me for a glass of scotch he gets it. In fact, I don't think he's ever seen the inside of the dishwasher.

To answer the question, I think I would watch his lead and then act.
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