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Can almost match this at LGS for a 100% lower. Having said that, it still has to pass background check as ATF considers it the firearm. Your 80% avoids that and the satisfaction you will get from machining out FC pocket yourself. Seems that would give more of an "I built that feel." :thumsup
 

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Does an 80% lower require any machining or just attachment of parts?
These only require drilling the trigger and safety holes and machining the fire control group area. I am researching using a router for the machining. It can be done with a drill press but I don't have one of those.

If anyone wants to split a set of jigs please let me know. We both won't be using them at the same time and can split the cost!
 

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Check out tommys firearms in Tallahassee. He has complete lowers for less than that.

Great guy, and he ships too
 

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Why would you have to make sure each person does their own milling?
Because the serial number receiver IS the firearm as far as the ATF is concerned and 80% lowers have no serial number; they are not considered the firearm until milled out and completed to 100%. The person that completes an 80% lower to a 100% lower is technically the firearm "manufacturer." One cannot manufacture firearms for someone else if not licensed as a "firearms manufacturer." However, one can manufacturer a firearm for themselves without a manufacturer's license. So if an unlicensed person buys several 80% lowers for a group of people, then each person can complete their own lower to 100% but that one guy cannot do the work on behalf of the others.
 

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Beerhunter is right.:thumsup The ATF Does recommend you make your own serial #s on the ones you make, and while it would be illegal to sell one you made if you're not a licensed FFL, you Could give one to someone ( I would like mine FDE please!:rofl)
 

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Because the serial number receiver IS the firearm as far as the ATF is concerned and 80% lowers have no serial number; they are not considered the firearm until milled out and completed to 100%. The person that completes an 80% lower to a 100% lower is technically the firearm "manufacturer." One cannot manufacture firearms for someone else if not licensed as a "firearms manufacturer." However, one can manufacturer a firearm for themselves without a manufacturer's license. So if an unlicensed person buys several 80% lowers for a group of people, then each person can complete their own lower to 100% but that one guy cannot do the work on behalf of the others.
So if I buy an 80% lower, mill it out, I can't ever sell or give it to anyone else?
 

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Do you have a theory to the contrary?
I'm curious what law you know of that prohibits me gifting a firearm to an individual if I competed an 80% lower. Im unaware of it being illegal (be it ignorance or the fact it's not actually illegal) so I cant prove a negative.

In a free society, anything not expressly prohibited is lawful.

You said it was illegal, Im asking who says and where? It would be on you to explain why. I'm genuinely curious.
 

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(A6) Does the GCA prohibit anyone from making a handgun, shotgun or rifle? [Back]
With certain exceptions a firearm may be made by a non-licensee provided it is not for sale and the maker is not prohibited from possessing firearms. However, a person is prohibited from assembling a non-sporting semi-automatic rifle or non-sporting shotgun from imported parts. In addition, the making of an NFA firearm requires a tax payment and approval by ATF. An application to make a machine gun will not be approved unless documentation is submitted showing that the firearm is being made for a Federal or State agency.
[18 U.S.C. 922(o) and (r), 26 U.S.C. 5822, 27 CFR 478.39, 479.62 and 479.105]
 

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http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_Control_Act_of_1968

"Firearms manufactured prior to the Gun Control Act and firearms manufactured by non-FFLs remain exempt from the serial number requirement"

Well just to show you how convoluted things are, I called the NFA branch and asked about 80% lower transfers and was transferred to a specialist. I asked if he was familiar with 80% lower receivers and the ability to leave them without a serial number to a family member upon my death. He said that was a transfer and would need a serial number. He then said that once I built the 80% into a complete firearm that it would be a good idea to have it serialized.

Now I know the law allows manufacturer by a non FFL of a firearm for personal use that does not have a serial number. This guy was telling me different. I then asked if he was familiar with the 80% process and he said "vaguely". So the specialists who are supposed to give us answers are admittedly vague and passing on mis-information. Yes I know he used the term "good idea" and he didn't say the law says to serialize it but I wasn't asking a friend for an opinion, I was asking an NFA branch specialist for the law. More research necessary.
 
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