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Please forgive if this has been asked before. Looking for a ccw that will shoot an 8" group @ 75 or 80 yrds. I can do this with my .357 Python 4" bbl.to big to ccw, I would like a 9mm DAO semi automatic. Might need it @ the mall one day. One never knows? :eek:
 

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Please forgive if this has been asked before. Looking for a ccw that will shoot an 8" group @ 75 or 80 yrds. I can do this with my .357 Python 4" bbl.to big to ccw, I would like a 9mm DAO semi automatic. Might need it @ the mall one day. One never knows? :eek:
I mean this with all due respect ....

Why would you want/need a concealed carry DEFENSIVE handgun to shoot an 8" group at 75 to 80 yards away.

At that distance, the BG is in no way a personal threat to you, and so you would not need to be engaging him at that distance.

Most LEO shootings are at distances the size of a normal living room, so you can expect any situation that you would need your concealed carry weapon to be approximately the same distance or even closer.

I really cannot see any need for engaging threat targets at any distance greater than that.
 

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I mean this with all due respect ....

Why would you want/need a concealed carry DEFENSIVE handgun to shoot an 8" group at 75 to 80 yards away.
Because these Zombies aren't just going to shoot themselves! :rolf

To the OP, any modern 9mm service-size pistol will hold that kind of group if you do your part. I've seen plenty of folks that can ring a 12" gong at 100 yards consistently with a 2" j-frame....I sure as hell can't do that, but the weapon is up to the task.
 

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I mean this with all due respect ....

Why would you want/need a concealed carry DEFENSIVE handgun to shoot an 8" group at 75 to 80 yards away.

At that distance, the BG is in no way a personal threat to you, and so you would not need to be engaging him at that distance.

Most LEO shootings are at distances the size of a normal living room, so you can expect any situation that you would need your concealed carry weapon to be approximately the same distance or even closer.

I really cannot see any need for engaging threat targets at any distance greater than that.
How about you are on the second level of the mall & the guy doing the killing is on the first level ??:eek:
 

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How about you are on the second level of the mall & the guy doing the killing is on the first level ??:eek:
That wouldn't likely involve a 240 foot shot. If you are at the mall on the second floor and need to make a 240 foot shot to the first level at the other side of the mall, you should not be attempting that shot for you are more likely to hit a bystander than the threat, which by the way is NOT a threat to you so you wouldn't consider firing would you --------

Be more realistic in your scenarios and consider how fast you can yank that hogleg while moving dynamically so you yourself aren't shot and putting rds into BG's from less than 15 feet. Once you can do that reliably, you'll be better off than worrying about making a precision sniper shot with a pistol which few will make in the real world, if ever. :rolleyes:
 

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That wouldn't likely involve a 240 foot shot. If you are at the mall on the second floor and need to make a 240 foot shot to the first level at the other side of the mall, you should not be attempting that shot for you are more likely to hit a bystander than the threat, which by the way is NOT a threat to you so you wouldn't consider firing would you --------

Be more realistic in your scenarios and consider how fast you can yank that hogleg while moving dynamically so you yourself aren't shot and putting rds into BG's from less than 15 feet. Once you can do that reliably, you'll be better off than worrying about making a precision sniper shot with a pistol which few will make in the real world, if ever. :rolleyes:
Brownie just how close do you think a sheep should get to the shooter ?
 

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Brownie just how close do you think a sheep should get to the shooter ?
I would not be hunting a threat starting at 240 feet from me on another level of the mall and I could make the shot with relative ease from that range if I had to, but would not attempt it.

My job, nor my responsibility is not hunting and closing on shooters at the mall unless I'm the target of their interest at the moment.
 

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That wouldn't likely involve a 240 foot shot. If you are at the mall on the second floor and need to make a 240 foot shot to the first level at the other side of the mall, you should not be attempting that shot for you are more likely to hit a bystander than the threat, which by the way is NOT a threat to you so you wouldn't consider firing would you --------

Be more realistic in your scenarios and consider how fast you can yank that hogleg while moving dynamically so you yourself aren't shot and putting rds into BG's from less than 15 feet. Once you can do that reliably, you'll be better off than worrying about making a precision sniper shot with a pistol which few will make in the real world, if ever. :rolleyes:
Well said.

At those distances it would be hard to tell who the real threat is. If your perceived threat is another CCW holder trying to stop a BG and yo shoot him you are going to need a lawyer big time.

We need to be clear on what it happening when engaging targets and at 70-80 yards it is hard to know exactly what is going down.
 

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Please forgive if this has been asked before. Looking for a ccw that will shoot an 8" group @ 75 or 80 yrds. I can do this with my .357 Python 4" bbl.to big to ccw, I would like a 9mm DAO semi automatic. Might need it @ the mall one day. One never knows? :eek:
Maybe to protect someone else, but I find it hard to justify one's own safety at that distance. Even then, with a moving target it is dangerous. I suppose a scenario can come up, but the odds of hitting an innocent seems high.

I've never been trained for anything at that distance with a handgun. Not sure if I can remember seeing any calsses that do.

Please be careful, sir.
 

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How about you are on the second level of the mall & the guy doing the killing is on the first level ??:eek:
... what everybody else is saying. :D

One must make sure that ones shots can be made accurately, or one could end up doing more harm than good.
 

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... what everybody else is saying. :D

One must make sure that ones shots can be made accurately, or one could end up doing more harm than good.
Not a problem. Don't you watch TV?:rolf Eeeaaassssssy.:ak
 

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If you think that there is a real likelihood that you'll need to take a shot like that, carry the Python. It is not very comfortable, but it is not hard to conceal. And practice, practice, practice. An 80 yard shot with most hanguns takes quite a bit of practice to achieve on a consistance basis and when you add elevation into the equastion, your bullet drop calculations change; sometimes significantly.
 

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Kel-Tec SUB-2000, Beretta CX4 Storm, Ruger PC9 Carbine, and Hi-Point 995 Carbine are a few but good luck concealing them.
 

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That wouldn't likely involve a 240 foot shot. If you are at the mall on the second floor and need to make a 240 foot shot to the first level at the other side of the mall, you should not be attempting that shot for you are more likely to hit a bystander than the threat:
Thats why you aim at the bystander. Safest place to be on a golf course is standing next to the flag, because at those distances it don't end up where you are aiming unless you are real good.
 

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