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Anybody have one of these or any insight on one?
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/...ted=over&isFirearm=Y&parent_category_rn=55803
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Smith makes a good product..try the 1911 forums you'll find some good info
http://forums.1911forum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=56
http://forum.m1911.org/forumdisplay.php?f=29
http://forums.1911forum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=56
http://forum.m1911.org/forumdisplay.php?f=29
Why would I choose a .45 ACP ??
After I spent about $1500 on different 9mm pistols, I met someone from Mobile over at the Styx River range in Alabama and I asked him why he carried a .45 caliber pistol. His answer was short and sweet: "If I have to shoot someone, I do NOT want them getting up and calling a lawyer".
That answer registered with me and I converted over to .45 ACP within a month.
My new mantra is:
.45 ACP = ONE SHOT,ONE KILL (when well placed).
After I spent about $1500 on different 9mm pistols, I met someone from Mobile over at the Styx River range in Alabama and I asked him why he carried a .45 caliber pistol. His answer was short and sweet: "If I have to shoot someone, I do NOT want them getting up and calling a lawyer".
That answer registered with me and I converted over to .45 ACP within a month.
My new mantra is:
.45 ACP = ONE SHOT,ONE KILL (when well placed).
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A well placed 9mm shot will kill just as quickly as a well placed .45acp
The only "advantage" .45 might have over 9mm is bullet weight which "might" contribute to better penetration through certain types of tissue and bone.
I love .45acp and is currently what I carry every day. Well placed shots are well placed shots and any caliber can be pretty effective.
Remember, the only way to instantly STOP an attacker/assailant is to strike the Central Nervous System, i.e., certain areas of the brain, the brain stem or spinal cord.
Chest shots will not usually stop anyone immediately even if the heart is pierced. It takes a while to bleed out to the point of collapse.
The only "advantage" .45 might have over 9mm is bullet weight which "might" contribute to better penetration through certain types of tissue and bone.
I love .45acp and is currently what I carry every day. Well placed shots are well placed shots and any caliber can be pretty effective.
Remember, the only way to instantly STOP an attacker/assailant is to strike the Central Nervous System, i.e., certain areas of the brain, the brain stem or spinal cord.
Chest shots will not usually stop anyone immediately even if the heart is pierced. It takes a while to bleed out to the point of collapse.
The S&W 1911-type pistols typically have an external extractor, so if you're a 1911 "purist", be aware.
I've shot an Armscor 1911 with an external extractor a few times, and never experienced a problem with it. The only downside I can really see to it is that replacement parts may not be as easy to come by than with your more "traditional" internal extractor.
Also, Paul Liebenberg of Pistol Dynamics (based in Brevard!) sells high-end custom 1911 pistols with external extractors. These days, my personal opinion is that the only downside to them is the replacement part issue.
-JT
I've shot an Armscor 1911 with an external extractor a few times, and never experienced a problem with it. The only downside I can really see to it is that replacement parts may not be as easy to come by than with your more "traditional" internal extractor.
Also, Paul Liebenberg of Pistol Dynamics (based in Brevard!) sells high-end custom 1911 pistols with external extractors. These days, my personal opinion is that the only downside to them is the replacement part issue.
-JT
I was going to start a topic about this, but after I started reading this thread, thought it was fine just to post it here.
I carry a full-size .45 on me everyday as well. (Auto Ordnance, Gov't Model... ...which is the reason I bought the Milt Sparks, Versa Max II holster the other day.)
And while I love the safety features inherent to a 1911 pistol, I can't bring myself to carry it "Hot-Cocked", if you know what I mean. In practicing my draw, I have: three fingers on the grip, my thumb pulling the hammer back as I clear the holster, and my forefinger poised alongside the frame/trigger guard. Personally, I don't feel I lose any time (should I need to fire), versus having it "Hot-Cocked."
Any thoughts or views would be greatly appreciated.
I carry a full-size .45 on me everyday as well. (Auto Ordnance, Gov't Model... ...which is the reason I bought the Milt Sparks, Versa Max II holster the other day.)
And while I love the safety features inherent to a 1911 pistol, I can't bring myself to carry it "Hot-Cocked", if you know what I mean. In practicing my draw, I have: three fingers on the grip, my thumb pulling the hammer back as I clear the holster, and my forefinger poised alongside the frame/trigger guard. Personally, I don't feel I lose any time (should I need to fire), versus having it "Hot-Cocked."
Any thoughts or views would be greatly appreciated.
Hot Cocked ??
Hi Wraith,
I bought a Colt New Agent 45 ACP to use as a carry weapon, but then I discovered that the "half cock" will release when the trigger is pulled. Now, the hammer may not have enough momentum (going forward) to fire the round, but it still worries me. It is now in storage and I carry my Bersa UC 45 ACP because it has a safety that disables the trigger and blocks the hammer.
I will try your method and see if it works for me, otherwise I'll probably trade the Colt for a Sig Sauer P220.
Thanks.
Hi Wraith,
I bought a Colt New Agent 45 ACP to use as a carry weapon, but then I discovered that the "half cock" will release when the trigger is pulled. Now, the hammer may not have enough momentum (going forward) to fire the round, but it still worries me. It is now in storage and I carry my Bersa UC 45 ACP because it has a safety that disables the trigger and blocks the hammer.
I will try your method and see if it works for me, otherwise I'll probably trade the Colt for a Sig Sauer P220.
Thanks.
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I bought mine at a gun show in Orlando about 2yrs ago. I gave $710+tax out the door. It has never failed me. Remember a few things 1. S&W has been using external extractors on automatic for a very long time and I know of no one who has problems with them on a S&W 1911. 2. If your going to carry any 1911, they are made to carry in the cock and locked position. Why use a cowboy draw with a combat pistol. Makes no sense. Good luck. :drinks
Hot-Cocked = Having the hammer pulled back to the firing position, with a round loaded in the chamber, and the thumb safety on.
I know quite a few people (who carry .45's IWB and OWB) who do this. I just don't find it safe. For me, or those around me. (Or my butt, should the damned thing go off carrying it that way.)
I love my Auto Ordnance, but she's pushing 12 yrs. now. (Showing signs of age and use......much like me.) I was thinking about the Sig 220, but need to do some more research, and test firing, before I spend the $$.
(And Yes. I, too, also noticed the "half cock" will release as well. That's why I keep mine "hammer down" now.)
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What you will find is that your fine motor skills will go to hell in a hand basket...pulling the hammer back is just one them. I carry (hot-cocked) condition 1 and have done so since 1969...never had one go off by itself..better get used to it..Even the best 1911 operators can miss thumbing the safety off during FOF training much less thumbing the hammer back..Even my grip safety is disabled. Tell ya the truth it wouldn't bother me if the thumb safety was disabled either..NO...I'm not crazy, I understand that I have to put my finger on the trigger for it to go off. Think GLOCK..no safety..even some M&P's can be ordered without them...When the STHF..keep it simple, you'll be glad you did..I was going to start a topic about this, but after I started reading this thread, thought it was fine just to post it here.
I carry a full-size .45 on me everyday as well. (Auto Ordnance, Gov't Model... ...which is the reason I bought the Milt Sparks, Versa Max II holster the other day.)
And while I love the safety features inherent to a 1911 pistol, I can't bring myself to carry it "Hot-Cocked", if you know what I mean. In practicing my draw, I have: three fingers on the grip, my thumb pulling the hammer back as I clear the holster, and my forefinger poised alongside the frame/trigger guard. Personally, I don't feel I lose any time (should I need to fire), versus having it "Hot-Cocked."
Any thoughts or views would be greatly appreciated.
I don't know if your particular 'flavor' of 1911 has a firing pin safety, but having the hammer down on a chambered round is generally a BAD IDEA for a single action gun...revolver AND semiauto pistols.
All the safeties of a 1911 are in place to keep the hammer from dropping onto the firing pin (which is what pulling the SA trigger does). If you're carrying with a round in the chamber, and the hammer down, you've pretty much just defeated the purpose of the safeties.
If you can't carry the gun in the manner it which it was designed to be safely carried, you really need to rethink your choice of carry weapon. If you're going to insist on carrying a 1911 without carrying it in its proper 'cocked and locked' Condition One mode of carry, stop carrying it in Condition Two (round in chamber, hammer down). Carry in Condition Three instead: hammer down, no round in chamber. And practice the "Israeli draw".
-JT
Addendum: Or, if you're still intent on using a 1911-type platform, look into the Para LDA flavors. The double-action triggers pretty much no longer make them true 1911-platform pistols, but it seems to be a decent compromise, and should effectively address your concerns.
All the safeties of a 1911 are in place to keep the hammer from dropping onto the firing pin (which is what pulling the SA trigger does). If you're carrying with a round in the chamber, and the hammer down, you've pretty much just defeated the purpose of the safeties.
If you can't carry the gun in the manner it which it was designed to be safely carried, you really need to rethink your choice of carry weapon. If you're going to insist on carrying a 1911 without carrying it in its proper 'cocked and locked' Condition One mode of carry, stop carrying it in Condition Two (round in chamber, hammer down). Carry in Condition Three instead: hammer down, no round in chamber. And practice the "Israeli draw".
-JT
Addendum: Or, if you're still intent on using a 1911-type platform, look into the Para LDA flavors. The double-action triggers pretty much no longer make them true 1911-platform pistols, but it seems to be a decent compromise, and should effectively address your concerns.
Yep.
After hashing (and re-hashing) the carry I had above, you are correct Cthulhu. I have been carrying this way all week now. New for me, but yes, correct.
I was always concerned about the thumb safey coming off with my current Galco IWB holster, but it hasn't. Which, I suppose, is the reason I ordered the Versa Max II. It has that higher riding, (sweat protector, I suppose you could call it) leather feature to it.
Once again, thanks for making me actually THINK about what I was doing.
-Wraith
After hashing (and re-hashing) the carry I had above, you are correct Cthulhu. I have been carrying this way all week now. New for me, but yes, correct.
I was always concerned about the thumb safey coming off with my current Galco IWB holster, but it hasn't. Which, I suppose, is the reason I ordered the Versa Max II. It has that higher riding, (sweat protector, I suppose you could call it) leather feature to it.
Once again, thanks for making me actually THINK about what I was doing.
-Wraith
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Hey Wraith we all had to learn at some point about how to carry the weapon as we are not all soldiers that have trained with them. If you ever hear the expression " Going off half cocked". That's where it came from. So don't beat yourself up to bad as now you know just practise until you can draw and wipe the safty off in one motion and you will be OK. Good luck..:drinks
Heck, even some of us who served never had experience with pistols or carrying with rounds 24x7.
I love that EMP :thumsup
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