[jchrisf]

Been eyeing a Glock 23 for a few months but after joining here I've heard some good things about S&W MP guns. Went to a gun shop today and they only had the 9mm MP. It really felt good. The Glock grip is big and the magazine release is hard to get to with one hand. I also seemed to have trouble getting the sights to align with target on first instinct. My Ruger P90 will be close to target on initial aim but with the same feel on the Glock my rear sights were looking at the gun barrel about 3/4's the way down so I had to readjust.

I like the reputation of the Glock and know I can get used to it but my question is... Is the S&W MP just are reliable and functional? The salesman was commenting on how few parts the Glock is made with so that is one reason why it is so reliable... not much to go wrong.

What are others recommendations on a .40 cal carry weapon that is under $600?

 

[Red Dawg]

jchrisf,

My EDC is a S&W 40C. I went to my local gun store and shot everything they had in a 40 both full size and compact (Kahr, Glock, S&W, Springfield, etc.) before I decided on the M&P. I also had my 12 year old son with me and let him shoot everything as well. After we left the range, I asked him his opinion and we both agreed upon the M&P. He liked the full size and I liked the compact. I would recommend you do the same thing. There are a lot of people with a lot of opinions and everyone will like a particular pistol for a particular reason but you have to be happy with your choice yourself. So check out as many as you can before making a decision. Look on-line at Bud's Gun shop, Auction Arms.com, gun broker.com, and then decide which has a better price as compared to your local shop.

 

[dudester]

I have a full size M&P .40 and it is a sweet gun for sure. I don't know how you could do any better.

 

[Uechi]

If you want confirmation of Glock's reliability check out You Tube.
Look at Glock 1000 round torture test, two parts I sincerely doubt Smith and Wesson or anybody, but maybe Sig Sauer or Beretta can match it and they cost a
lot more money. I love my Glock 23.

 

[CYCOLE]

http://www.shopdunns.com/products/777/steyr_m_a1_pistol_great_price/
I have one and love it

 

[fuzzy03cls]

I know Glock is played out but I have to go to a G22 or G23 in a .40.
Easy to use, shoot, & maintain. Lots of aftermarket support as well.
If you going to CCW it get a G27.
I just recently shot the new RTF G22. It was a nice feel.

 

[Mac45]

There are a number of quality gandguns in .40S&W for less that $600. Follow Red Dawg's advice and try a few. One thing to remember is that, in CQC gunfights, pointability is a big deal. You are not going to have the time to use your sights. For many, Glocks point naturally, For others, not.

 

[deadeyedick]

There are so many top-quality service pistols on the market today that it would be hard to go wrong by sticking with the major manufacturers like Glock, Sig, S&W, Beretta, H&K, Springfield Armory, etc. Anybody who tells you "don't buy a [insert brand here], it's a POS" is full of crap (unless they're talking about a Hi Point..that is a POS ).

 

[Boost_Junkie]

Honestly you can't go wrong with either one in terms of reliability. I had a M&P9 compact and it was a fantastic weapon. Also had the G23, also a great gun but wanted more capacity so I went with the G19. It's really up to you what gun you go with. Hit the gun shop and fondle 'em both side by side and decide for yourself.

Manny

 

[John L]

I guess I'm the only one here that has actually found and purchased a Taurus PT840 pistol. Every time the subject comes up, it seems a lot of people have wanted to look into getting one, but can't find one to even look at.

In May I decided to buy me a new carry pistol for my birthday and having never owned a .40 cal, that's what I wanted. I went and fondled every .40 cal the gun store had and the Pt840 felt better than all the others and it is a lot of pistol for the price.

I have fired 400 rounds through it so far with out any hiccups and it is very accurate. I have added a laserlyte mini rail laser to it and so far have had no buyers guilt what so ever.

 

[Buckeye Charly]

Hi=Points are enviably reliable and accurate..

There are so many top-quality service pistols on the market today that it would be hard to go wrong by sticking with the major manufacturers like Glock, Sig, S&W, Beretta, H&K, Springfield Armory, etc. Anybody who tells you "don't buy a [insert brand here], it's a POS" is full of crap (unless they're talking about a Hi Point..that is a POS ).

Ah yes, another non-shooter who know little about guns. I luv it. Put down the thing you know least about and hope others take your advice. I own every model that HP produces. I am a competitive shooter. I am a NRA RSO and a SASS ROII, and shoot competitively twice a month, so I guess I know a tad bit about shooting and guns. Hi-Points are among the most reliable, most accurate guns available today. They are in great demand, sure partly because of their lower cost, but when you read the stats, they just last and last and last. And, never a repair cost regardless of ownership or age...not a penny. If HP techs cannot fix something YOU screwed up, you get a new gun for free. Listen to owners not those who have never owned or shot. Theirs are not a snob gun but one for high use shooter who use their money wisely.

 

[GlockComa]

Ah yes, another non-shooter who know little about guns.

I knew those were blanks you were shooting at the IDPA Match last weekend!

 

[Rvrctyrngr]

I guess I'm the only one here that has actually found and purchased a Taurus PT840 pistol. Every time the subject comes up, it seems a lot of people have wanted to look into getting one, but can't find one to even look at.

In May I decided to buy me a new carry pistol for my birthday and having never owned a .40 cal, that's what I wanted. I went and fondled every .40 cal the gun store had and the Pt840 felt better than all the others and it is a lot of pistol for the price.

I have fired 400 rounds through it so far with out any hiccups and it is very accurate. I have added a laserlyte mini rail laser to it and so far have had no buyers guilt what so ever.

Nice, John. Haven't seen one of those yet.

 

[brownie]

Ah yes, another non-shooter who know little about guns. I luv it. Put down the thing you know least about and hope others take your advice. I own every model that HP produces. I am a competitive shooter. I am a NRA RSO and a SASS ROII, and shoot competitively twice a month, so I guess I know a tad bit about shooting and guns. Hi-Points are among the most reliable, most accurate guns available today. They are in great demand, sure partly because of their lower cost, but when you read the stats, they just last and last and last. And, never a repair cost regardless of ownership or age...not a penny. If HP techs cannot fix something YOU screwed up, you get a new gun for free. Listen to owners not those who have never owned or shot. Theirs are not a snob gun but one for high use shooter who use their money wisely.

Remember this thread Charly?

http://floridaconcealedcarry.com/Forum/showthread.php?t=1066 Post #12 where you stated:

I will put my HP's up for money with any other gun.

and my reply in post # 13 here:

I'll take you up on that if you don't mind-- say 5K rounds of ball ammo starting with a clean gun, and we'll see who's gun pukes first. Loser pays the others ammo costs? I like shooting for free.

Remember this statement of yours in post #14?

They are a very well constructed gun of space-age materials

and the actual facts of what they are made of here in post 15?

The slide is die cast from a zinc-family alloy that includes aluminum, magnesium, and copper and is called zamak-3, rather than machined from forged steel.

You "own every model that HP produces"? Seems you've been busy buying more high points in the last 5 months since Jan 24th when you posted "I own two, a 40 and 380 and I have never owned any better guns"

So now that this high point thread has been resurrected with the above post of your views on that gun, I guess my only question is:

When are you going to accept the challenge you made here -- [ I will put my HP's up for money with any other gun. ] -- and I then publicly accepted back in Jan this year and perhaps more importantly, when would you like me to fly to Florida with 5K ammo and my glock in tow to get this cleared up about the reliability and accuracy of high points once and for all. :rolf :rolf

 

[RadTek]

I've really been enjoying my Beretta 96D Centurion. It's a half inch shorter than the service size, so, it's a little more concealable.

It's still a big boy. It'll take a good solid holster and a little thought to get a good conceal. But, I sure do like it's stability and build. Well worth the trouble in my book. I've never been a fan of DAO triggers till now. It's smooth, crisp and light for DA. I'm actually more accurate than I am with a SA.

They've been out of production for a while now, but, I see them all the time. You should be able to easily find em between $300 and $400 and you get the proven reliabilty of the well known 92 9mm service pistols with the larger caliber of a .40SW. There may be better guns out there.. there are also cheaper...but, in my opinon, and pardon the pun, but it's the best "bang" for the buck.

 

[Mac45]

The Hi-Point family of firearms is a rather interesting story. As Brownie noted they are constructed of a zinc alloy slide containing steel parts in high pressure areas and a polymer lower. Even more interesting is the fact that they are a true blow back design, relying upon the weight of the slide and spring tension alone to retard the action.

Fifteen years ago, these firearms had a number of problems with poorly cast slides that exhibited cracking within 1000 to 2000 rounds [a problem shared by some Walther P22's]. This problem seems to have been corrected, but the weapons are still large, heavy and somewhat ungainly.

They exhibit acceptable accuracy and, of late, jamming and feed problems seem to be directly related to the shooter's handling of the weapons [they are direct blowback weapons after all] rather than to design flaws. They are dirt cheap and are marketed to those wanting an inexpensive night table gun that will see little actual use.

Personally, I would not trust my life to a Hi-Point handgun if any of a dozen other manufacturers' pistols were available. This is not to say that the Hi-Point would not function flawlessly. It simply means that I do not have as much faith in their quality and their reliability as I do in other manufacturers' weapons. If any of you feel comfortable betting your life on a Hi-Point firearm, go ahead. Hi-Points have shot and killed a lot of people over the years.

 

[brownie]

That's a nice gun you have there RadTek. :thumsup

We've had a few come into the shop in the last year which I've been able to look at, nice solid guns.

 

[Red Dawg]

Remember this thread Charly?

http://floridaconcealedcarry.com/Forum/showthread.php?t=1066 Post #12 where you stated:

I will put my HP's up for money with any other gun.

and my reply in post # 13 here:

I'll take you up on that if you don't mind-- say 5K rounds of ball ammo starting with a clean gun, and we'll see who's gun pukes first. Loser pays the others ammo costs? I like shooting for free.

Remember this statement of yours in post #14?

They are a very well constructed gun of space-age materials

and the actual facts of what they are made of here in post 15?

The slide is die cast from a zinc-family alloy that includes aluminum, magnesium, and copper and is called zamak-3, rather than machined from forged steel.

You "own every model that HP produces"? Seems you've been busy buying more high points in the last 5 months since Jan 24th when you posted "I own two, a 40 and 380 and I have never owned any better guns"

So now that this high point thread has been resurrected with the above post of your views on that gun, I guess my only question is:

When are you going to accept the challenge you made here -- [ I will put my HP's up for money with any other gun. ] -- and I then publicly accepted back in Jan this year and perhaps more importantly, when would you like me to fly to Florida with 5K ammo and my glock in tow to get this cleared up about the reliability and accuracy of high points once and for all. :rolf :rolf

okay here we go again. opcorn :drinks opcorn

 

[deadeyedick]

Ah yes, another non-shooter who know little about guns. I luv it. Put down the thing you know least about and hope others take your advice. I own every model that HP produces. I am a competitive shooter. I am a NRA RSO and a SASS ROII, and shoot competitively twice a month, so I guess I know a tad bit about shooting and guns. Hi-Points are among the most reliable, most accurate guns available today. They are in great demand, sure partly because of their lower cost, but when you read the stats, they just last and last and last. And, never a repair cost regardless of ownership or age...not a penny. If HP techs cannot fix something YOU screwed up, you get a new gun for free. Listen to owners not those who have never owned or shot. Theirs are not a snob gun but one for high use shooter who use their money wisely.

I'm not falling for it this time. :rolf

 

[Steve48]

Aw. A perfectly good box of popcorn gone to waste.