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I guess, I should rethink my wardrobe! Like pants that can accommodate a gun belt.
Exactly! Sometimes you have to adjust your wardrobe in order to carry. Given the dangerous world that we live in, I think it makes a lot more sense to change how you dress than it does to just not carry (or to carry an ineffective, or marginally effective, weapon).

Good luck, whatever you decide.
 

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Living in Florida, I wear very loose and light clothing. No belt. I carry my M&P .380 shield in a IWH. I think any thing else would be to heavy!
Yeah; “no belt” is a pretty pitiful condition to base your carry decisions on. A good gun belt and holster is the foundation that enables folks to pretty much carry whatever they choose; 1911’s being my first choice for many years.

i chose to be prepared, rather than comfortable, many years ago, and found as many have, that with a proper gun belt and holster; you can carry about anything comfortably. I can carry a full sized 1911 IWB all day long, hide it under a tee shirt, and actually not even notice that it’s there.

Choosing that “no belt” carry condition is really limiting yourself with what you can carry.

Edit: I also live in Florida; on the coast in Hernando County, and have lived there fulltime since 2002. Before that I lived on a farm outside of Brooksville, which was much hotter than living on the water is. That said; it’s pretty hot and humid most of the year here.
 

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My problem is. I wear like 99% elastic shorts with a drawstring. With my .380 in a soft leather holster clipped on my shorts with no belt of course. Is there a 9mm that is just as light?
Yup, that's definitely your problem. That's like wearing pajamas during the day. Change the way you dress or carry a pipsqueak caliber and gun. The life you save may be your own.

On another note, European police carried 380's for decades. They were carrying 380 pistols during the 72 Munich Olympics hostage of students. In fact, that led to the german gov making a request to Sig, HK, and Walther to develop a counter terrorist pistol in a 9mm. Which led to the P226, Walther P5 and the HK P7 being developed and adopted by various police forces across German.

The fashion police will be along shortly to admonish you for your choice in wearing pajama's out in public.
 

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I also have a sig -226. The thing must weigh 3-4 pounds! I don’t know how anyone can carry a sidearm that friggin heavy ! No
Reported weight of the P226 w/magazine is 34 oz.
 

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I also have a sig -226. The thing must weigh 3-4 pounds! I don’t know how anyone can carry a sidearm that friggin heavy ! No
In fact it weighs 34 ounces. That's just shy of 2#'s. Not extraordinarily heavy for a full size pistol.

My shield 9mm weighs 20 ounces [ that I carry most days up on my belt in a holster ], and my LW J frame weighs just 15 ounces unloaded.
 

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Yeah; “no belt” is a pretty pitiful condition to base your carry decisions on. A good gun belt and holster is the foundation that enables folks to pretty much carry whatever they choose; 1911’s being my first choice for many years.

i chose to be prepared, rather than comfortable, many years ago, and found as many have, that with a proper gun belt and holster; you can carry about anything comfortably. I can carry a full sized 1911 IWB all day long, hide it under a tee shirt, and actually not even notice that it’s there.

Choosing that “no belt” carry condition is really limiting yourself with what you can carry.

Edit: I also live in Florida; on the coast in Hernando County, and have lived there fulltime since 2002. Before that I lived on a farm outside of Brooksville, which was much hotter than living on the water is. That said; it’s pretty hot and humid most of the year here.
This and what racer, brownie, mike_1950, and others have posted. You need to chose your wardrobe to dress around the gun, not choose your gun around your wardrobe. Most of my EDC guns are one of three 9mm P229s w/2 spare mags (46 rnds onboard) or one of three different .45 ACP 1911s, two of them full size and one an Officer's size, again with 2 spare mags (22-25 rnds onboard). I live in South Florida and carry every day either IWB or OWB with a good gun belt holding up jeans or cargo pants/shorts, with a tucked t-shirt, and an untucked fishing shirt. It works for me. YMMV 🤠
 

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For hot humid days I wear golf shorts (either black or tan). They are lightweight, breathable, and I run the Kore “dress” gun belt (which is also lightweight). I gave up elastic pants/shorts when I started carrying.

Try drawing your gun as fast as you can at home (disclaimer: unloaded) with those elastic waistbands. I can almost 100% guarantee you will fumble around at least 75% of the time….that’ll get you killed. YMMV.


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How you dress and what you carry us a personal choice...something is better than nothing and as deadeye stated more effective than harsh words...

I carry a g19 regularly but backup with a p32 that sometimes rides solo in a back pocket in a holster very similar in looks to a wallet.. what a surprise it offers...I consider the p32 my eyes, ears, nose and throat specialist and if it is needed it will be an ugly result for whomever chose that path...I don't plan to take any long shots with it...it is a cqc piece with a purpose...

Doesn't anyone ever get tired of caliber shaming?...or bit time for someone to step in with the godlike jmb 1911 is the only way statement?...
 
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This and what racer, brownie, mike_1950, and others have posted. You need to chose your wardrobe to dress around the gun, not choose your gun around your wardrobe. Most of my EDC guns are one of three 9mm P229s w/2 spare mags (46 rnds onboard) or one of three different .45 ACP 1911s, two of them full size and one an Officer's size, again with 2 spare mags (22-25 rnds onboard). I live in South Florida and carry every day either IWB or OWB with a good gun belt holding up jeans or cargo pants/shorts, with a tucked t-shirt, and an untucked fishing shirt. It works for me. YMMV 🤠
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That was my carry “fashion” for years; a tucked tee shirt w/ an untucked Hawaiian or fishing shirt cover, with the bottom button never buttoned. When Fla. defanged occasional printing, I switched to a wife-beater undershirt with a tee for a cover garment.
 

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I carry from when I get out of bed until I go to bed, mostly a 1911 or Glock 21 with two spare mag's. People are so busy with their phones and texting no one notice's me a good gun belt and holster make it easy, carry what work's for you.
 

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I am sometimes obliged to wear a tucked polo shirt with dress slacks or chinos. All I am then able to conceal well is my P3AT in a front pocket holster. It's not my preferred EDC or method, but it gets me by. When I can go untucked or wear a cover shirt, it's a different game altogether. Then it's either a S&W Shield 9mm or a 45 IWB. I always have a spare mag, no matter the gun.
 

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My .380 days started with Walther’s PPKs. I have two of them. Super slim and easy to conceal. Never been thrilled about the 380 round though. I then went with a Kahr CM9 as that was the tiniest 9mm at the time I could find. Great little gun and filled the niche nicely albeit with 6+1 rounds or 7+1 rounds with extended mag. Then the P365 came out with 10+1 in the same size. Game changer! I got me two of those two and they are beautiful. Then came golfing. What to do? Ankle carry was out. Belt carry was out as your shirt is mostly tucked in. That left pocket carry which I hate or leave it on the cart which I hate even more. That’s when I found the Kahr CW380. Tinniest functional 380 I ever found. It was a step up above my Beretta Jetfire in .25ACP but not much bigger. After putting a few hundred rounds through the gun to make sure it was mechanically functional, that is now my pocket “Golf Gun” and the rare occasion I have to pocket carry due to dress.

My main EDC is a full sized G17/34 or a pair of P365s depending on attire of the day.

Good luck, YMMV. (y)
 

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Yup, that's definitely your problem. That's like wearing pajamas during the day. Change the way you dress or carry a pipsqueak caliber and gun. The life you save may be your own.

On another note, European police carried 380's for decades. They were carrying 380 pistols during the 72 Munich Olympics hostage of students. In fact, that led to the german gov making a request to Sig, HK, and Walther to develop a counter terrorist pistol in a 9mm. Which led to the P226, Walther P5 and the HK P7 being developed and adopted by various police forces across German.

The fashion police will be along shortly to admonish you for your choice in wearing pajama's out in public.
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I hate to contradict the master, but the Euro Police tended to the .32 ACP or 7.65 mm, instead of the .380 ACP or 9mm Kurz. There was much ado in the Erlangen Newspaper, when I was failing to learn German, about police getting the massive military 9mm over the proven Walther PP in 7.65. This was 1976-79 when I was in the US Army Europe.
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My problem is. I wear like 99% elastic shorts with a drawstring. With my .380 in a soft leather holster clipped on my shorts with no belt of course. Is there a 9mm that is just as light?
Given your wardrobe and carry tastes, a KelTec PF9 might be just the thing!
 

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I have a SW Bodyguard 380. I slip it in my pocket (holstered) when I put my pants/shorts on I the morning. If I leave the house I almost always add a larger caliber and capacity gun. Depending on my mood and dress, a SW Shield, G19, or 1911.
 
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