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Right now the only carry weapon I have is a Beretta 950BS. It takes 25 ACP ammo. My other gun is a SW9VE which is too large as a conceal weapon. While I am hoping to soon buy another gun. Right now the Beretta will have to do.

I read in a post some time ago on this forum someone say that the 25 ACP is no good for defense because he could not penetrate a coke can with it. It got me thinking that maybe I should carry a sling shot instead. So I decided to test my Beretta and some different ammo to see if I could penetrate a coke can. Well, we don't drink soda around the house but I had just finished decking the back and had about 20 pieces of treated deck board 3/4 inch thick laying around so decided to use that. I bought three different types of ammo.

Remington 25 ACP 50gr FMJ
Hornady 25 ACP 35gr JHP/XP
Speer Gold Dot 25 ACP 35gr GDJHP

I put three pieces of 3/4 inch treated deck board together flush against each other. The distance I used from the target was 20 ft.

Results:

The Hornady penetrated one of the 3/4 inch boards fully and was stopped by the second board which it impact and left about a 1cm dimple in the wood. The bullet expanded so much that the jacket seperated from the bullet and after I took the picture it came off in my hand. The exit hole was larger than the entry of course with some braking of the wood behind it.

The Peerless penetrated one of the 3/4 inch boards fully and was stopped by the second board which it impacted and left a small dimple in the wood not as large as the Hornady round. The bullet expanded but the jacket did not seperate and it held together much better than the Hornady. The exit hole was larger than the Hornady exit hole and more brakage of the wood occured.

The Remington round penetrated two of the 3/4 inch boards fully and imbedded itself in the third board but was easily pulled free. It penetrated about 1/8 inch into the third board. The bullet held its shape and did not expand at all. The exit holes while larger than the entry was not as large as the HP bullets of course.

I felt that the Hornady and the Remington were about equal in accuracy but the Speer Gold Dot seemed not to be as accurate as the others.

I did not try it on a coke can but I think that if it was able to penetrate 3/4 inches of treated wood with JHP and 1 1/2 inches of treated wood with FMJ I think it will penetrate a coke can. This makes me feel better about carrying my 25 ACP and until I get a new gun I will continue to pocket carry by pee shooter. I read in a thread on a different forum form a person that pocket carries a Beretta 950BS also that he alternates in his mag JHP and FMJ so if he fires four shots he will put 2 of each in his assailant. He feels it is much more effective that way. I am not sure how effective that will be. I am thinking that I should load FMJ and go for penetration since the JHP did not expand that much anyway. I think I will bring a sling shot as a back up.

I would appreciate comments about what other think.
 

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If I was an attacker I would not want any of those inside me. It might not be a large caliber but it will hold you over until you get a new carry weapon.
 

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My cousin is a Paramedic hes told me some stories bout the lil .25 i have read some negative stuff and some positive stuff, but actually had to pick up some hurt really bad and some just aint gonna moan nd groan no more and after your lil test id say i wouldn't want to be on the recieving end.
 

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Still way better than a slingshot.
 

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I have been feeling a little impotent, gun-wise as I carry a 32ACP. It is just so comfortable to carry compared to my 9 or 45.

I have been loading JHP's, but think I'll switch to FMJ's for penetration.

If it doesn't stop the bad guy in his tracks, I can die at his hand knowing that I really ruined his day and the worst effects of eight little projectiles will kick in real soon.
 

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The first homicide investigation which I was involved in, the victim was shot in the head with a .22 caliber handgun by his live-in girlfriend.

So, a well placed shot by a .25 can do some damage. If one shot does not stop the attacker, then continue shooting until the attack is stopped.

I would recommend though that, as soon as you can, upgrade to a larger caliber for better results.
 

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Further evidence

I like the Forensic Files, Cold Case File, The First 48, etc., shows. A number of the episodes surprised me when the murder weapon was a .22. One in particular, in which the wife said the gun went off accidentally, was intriguing as only one shot in the abdomen killed her husband. A .22 took him out without focus or aim on vital organs or the head.

Her downfall was the rimfire did not work on the first try, and it took 3 tries to get the bullet to fire. There were three hammer strikes on the .22 shell. So the gun accidentally fired 3 times.

The point is that even a .22 is a deadly weapon. Look up stats on the internet sometime.
 

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heck I'd carry &do The 9ve :thumsup
 

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I'd rather carry a 25 ACP then nothing at all.

I also had the same concerns when purchasing my .380 (Ruger LCP) I was tossed up between the type off bullet to carry, HP or ball. After many heated ammo threads, and some test of my own I stuck with the HP (Georgia Arms GD) for defense ammo. Why did I go this route? The ammo was semi hot for a 380 and expands nice. They feed like a fat kid! my little LCP eats this round all day with out hiccups. Plenty of penetration about 8 inches in a wetpack. If I have to use this gun. two in the chest will do the job, if not I'll use all 7.
 

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Plenty of penetration about 8 inches in a wetpack.

8 inches is not enough penetration IMO. The FBI has determined that 12" of penetration is necessary. Ball ammo will just about give you that in the 25acp round.

It takes 8" of penetration to get deep into the vitals. Couple that with 4" of fat on some big dude and you've got that magic 12" you need.

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If a 25 is all you've got then carry it, but if you have to shoot you probably should plan on shooting until you are empty. A whole bunch of little holes should help keep you alive but I would not count on it.

If you want to try another test try shooting a 55 gallon drum with that 25 and watch the bullets bounce off. I've seen it myself. It convinced one of my friends to retire his 25.
 

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try www.boxoftruth.com

Great resource, but I cannot find where they tried a .25

Simple test is to see how many gallon water jugs you can penetrate. Humans are not made like plywood.

Then you get into the expansion/penetration argument...
 
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