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    Lightbulb 41P is now 41F

    I'm guessing the "P" stood for "Provisional" and the "F" stands for Final?

    http://blog.silencershop.com/overview-of-atf-41p/

    I’ll be the first to admit that we didn’t think 41P would happen at all; but, as everyone now knows, it was approved (with some modifications) as ATF 41F earlier this week.
    Unless the NFA Branch switches to electronic fingerprint submission (which the ATF 41F ruling says it isn’t ready for), then eForms will become irrelevant for Form 1 trust & corporation submissions once the rule goes into effect.
    So eForms are pretty much offline after this.

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    Once you receive an approval under the new rules, you’ll be exempted from having to submit fingerprint cards or passport photos again for 2 years from the date of the most recent approval. (We’re still digging into how, exactly, this will be implemented.)
    So does that mean if you don't buy anything for two years you'll have to send in a current photo and fingerprint card?
    And do this every two years forever if you never buy anything else?


    And as aggressive as the govt is in seeking our guns and limiting the ability to acquire if all I have to do now on top of the normal NFA process is send in a photo and fingerprint card I guess I'm ok with that. I'll still use the trust because it protects them legally and saves them for my son to inherit.
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    Say the rule kicks in in July 2016. You buy something around the same time. You'll submit your Form 4, the applicable trust paperwork, along with photos, fingerprint cards, and the 5330.20 form for each responsible party on your trust.

    If you buy something 3 months later, the only thing you have to send up is the Form 4 & the 5330.20 forms for each responsible party.

    Then if you wait two years from that date, you have to submit new photos and fingerprint cards in addition to the usual paperwork all over again.

    I guess if you bought an NFA item every year, you would never have to submit new photos and cards?

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    Sounds like a great reason to not have to submit photos and prints.
    Just buy something every year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blanca Busa View Post
    Sounds like a great reason to not have to submit photos and prints.
    Just buy something every year.
    That's what I'm thinking...don't quote me on that though.

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    But if you think about it for a second.
    E Forms was an effort to bring the NFA process into the 21st century making things things quicker and easier as well as electronic.
    Now with photos and prints needing to be submitted they are either taking a major step backward in the process or will be forced to accept digital submission of both. Where are they going to store all these prints and photos everyone keeps submitting?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blanca Busa View Post
    But if you think about it for a second.
    E Forms was an effort to bring the NFA process into the 21st century making things things quicker and easier as well as electronic.
    Now with photos and prints needing to be submitted they are either taking a major step backward in the process or will be forced to accept digital submission of both. Where are they going to store all these prints and photos everyone keeps submitting?
    Same warehouse where they stored the Lost Ark, I guess?



    But seriously, didn't they think that this would result in a huge upswing in paperwork? Especially now since a lot of people on the fence about NFA items, due to the cost of getting a trust set up on top of the $200 tax and the item cost, will be able to file as individuals and just tell the local CLEO that there's not a dang thing he can do about it?

    I sure hope they intend on allowing digital submissions. However, that is another mess, in order to keep things on an even keel, I'm guessing they'll only accept digital images from an accredited vendor. Can someone say, 'kickback'?

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    Well, found the company that'll probably get the kickback.

    http://www.biometrics4all.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by pod View Post
    Well, found the company that'll probably get the kickback.

    http://www.biometrics4all.com
    FOIL HAT: ON

    in having to submit prints and photos they may accept digital submissions so that those photos could be uploaded to security/camera systems that will in the future allow them to easily locate you. Facial recognition hooked into the security system in Starbucks in Seattle will ID you and let them know exactly where you are should you ever need to be found.

    Maybe?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blanca Busa View Post
    FOIL HAT: ON

    in having to submit prints and photos they may accept digital submissions so that those photos could be uploaded to security/camera systems that will in the future allow them to easily locate you. Facial recognition hooked into the security system in Starbucks in Seattle will ID you and let them know exactly where you are should you ever need to be found.

    Maybe?
    They already have digitized photos from everyone with a DL (or ID card) - well not everyone quite yet, but that will correct itself in a year or two - along with digitized birth certificates, SS cards and whatever else you had to submit when getting you Real ID-compliant DL/ID.

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