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    Quote Originally Posted by BeerHunter View Post
    Because the serial number receiver IS the firearm as far as the ATF is concerned and 80% lowers have no serial number; they are not considered the firearm until milled out and completed to 100%. The person that completes an 80% lower to a 100% lower is technically the firearm "manufacturer." One cannot manufacture firearms for someone else if not licensed as a "firearms manufacturer." However, one can manufacturer a firearm for themselves without a manufacturer's license. So if an unlicensed person buys several 80% lowers for a group of people, then each person can complete their own lower to 100% but that one guy cannot do the work on behalf of the others.
    So if I buy an 80% lower, mill it out, I can't ever sell or give it to anyone else?
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    Quote Originally Posted by parabellum View Post
    So if I buy an 80% lower, mill it out, I can't ever sell or give it to anyone else?
    Correct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 305 View Post
    Correct.
    Why?
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    Quote Originally Posted by parabellum View Post
    Why?
    Do you have a theory to the contrary?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 305 View Post
    Correct.
    I am not positive that is 100% correct, but will have to research before I post any info. I am specificly speaking about upon my passing as an inheritence to a direct family member.

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    NFA branch specialists go home at 3:30. I will check tomorrow but I believe you can transfer it as long as you did not build it with intent to sell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 305 View Post
    Do you have a theory to the contrary?
    I'm curious what law you know of that prohibits me gifting a firearm to an individual if I competed an 80% lower. Im unaware of it being illegal (be it ignorance or the fact it's not actually illegal) so I cant prove a negative.

    In a free society, anything not expressly prohibited is lawful.

    You said it was illegal, Im asking who says and where? It would be on you to explain why. I'm genuinely curious.
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    (A6) Does the GCA prohibit anyone from making a handgun, shotgun or rifle? [Back]
    With certain exceptions a firearm may be made by a non-licensee provided it is not for sale and the maker is not prohibited from possessing firearms. However, a person is prohibited from assembling a non-sporting semi-automatic rifle or non-sporting shotgun from imported parts. In addition, the making of an NFA firearm requires a tax payment and approval by ATF. An application to make a machine gun will not be approved unless documentation is submitted showing that the firearm is being made for a Federal or State agency.
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    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_Control_Act_of_1968

    "Firearms manufactured prior to the Gun Control Act and firearms manufactured by non-FFLs remain exempt from the serial number requirement"

    Well just to show you how convoluted things are, I called the NFA branch and asked about 80% lower transfers and was transferred to a specialist. I asked if he was familiar with 80% lower receivers and the ability to leave them without a serial number to a family member upon my death. He said that was a transfer and would need a serial number. He then said that once I built the 80% into a complete firearm that it would be a good idea to have it serialized.

    Now I know the law allows manufacturer by a non FFL of a firearm for personal use that does not have a serial number. This guy was telling me different. I then asked if he was familiar with the 80% process and he said "vaguely". So the specialists who are supposed to give us answers are admittedly vague and passing on mis-information. Yes I know he used the term "good idea" and he didn't say the law says to serialize it but I wasn't asking a friend for an opinion, I was asking an NFA branch specialist for the law. More research necessary.

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