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    Quote Originally Posted by brownie View Post
    All good observations, however in the two real world disarms I made on the streets, neither was dancing around/fidgeting. If I can reach out and touch the gun, you lose, whether you're fidgeting around or not.
    I bet you kept your eyes open, too.

    Did you see his eyes closing in that video? Any comments about that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by brownie View Post
    This one, with my hands to my side going for the disarm gun to head takes me .36 seconds to move gun off line of my head and have trapped the gun with both hands. The added time is due to my hands being at my side, unlike the OP video where they start with hands up, close to the gun. Let me put my hands that close to the gun to my head, you're asking to lose. Notice move one getting off line of muzzle and moving the hands to the gun happen at the same time, not step one, step two.

    I got to be that victim at your Threat Focused course during one of the breaks! 'member? We used my SIRT laser pistol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by racer88 View Post
    I got to be that victim at your Threat Focused course during one of the breaks! 'member? We used my SIRT laser pistol.
    I do remember sir, you ended up like every other victim who's threatened me with a handgun
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    Quote Originally Posted by racer88 View Post
    I bet you kept your eyes open, too.

    Did you see his eyes closing in that video? Any comments about that?
    Two reason likely

    He's not a gun guy
    He closed his eyes to pray



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    Quote Originally Posted by mike1956 View Post
    If you don't get off the line, you lose...
    And that video proved it over and over again
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    Quote Originally Posted by brownie View Post
    I do remember sir, you ended up like every other victim who's threatened me with a handgun
    LOL! I sure did! I became one with the ground!
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    Quote Originally Posted by racer88 View Post
    LOL! I sure did! I became one with the ground!
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    Quote Originally Posted by brownie View Post
    Two reason likely

    He's not a gun guy
    He closed his eyes to pray



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    And that video proved it over and over again
    There is no substitute for knowing one's subject matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike1956 View Post
    There is no substitute for knowing one's subject matter.
    The mind is the limiting factor

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    Quote Originally Posted by brownie View Post

    . . .

    In order for a successful disarm

    1. Get off line of muzzle
    2. move hand to gun
    3. move gun to their inside [ move to their outside ]
    4. several follow ups can be applied to finish the disarm


    Here's why getting off line of the muzzle is always first. If the defender misses the gun grab, when the gun goes off it's a miss, take it from there.

    What's the take away from the above OP vid and my own? GET OFF THE LINE OF THE MUZZLE FIRST. In reality, the get off line and hand moving to gun are not two steps, it's one performed simultaneously.

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    The OP's observation that he did better when he got off line is spot on and the most important first step to success in this endeavor
    My apologies for being late in commenting on this thread, but here's an observation solely focused on the so called "conclusions" reported in the OP video. Those "conclusions" seem to be focused on the relative chances of evading the shot between the state of the gun being single vs. double action. This may have been interesting to them from an academic viewpoint, but in a practical sense it doesn't inform the defender one bit in attempting to evade the shot and disarm the attacker. Does the state of the gun [single vs. double action] change the steps brownie outlined in post #7? Not one bit!

    That fact also further illustrates gandrfab's point that the video is not much more than a commercial for clothing. Maybe their clothing would be less expensive if they reduced their overhead by eliminating costs for conducting bs tests with bs "conclusions."
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