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    You see a lot of people running and yelling "shooter!" What do you do?

    So, this post was inspired by the false alarm at the Boca mall. It's not the first time such a thing has happened.

    So, it raises the question: What would YOU do?

    I've already had this conversation with my kids (before this incident). You have to be careful about getting caught up in a panic. My daughter is rather petite. She could EASILY be trampled. I've taught her to move to the edges / side of the flow of people.... get out of the way.

    Me? If I did not PERSONALLY witness or CLEARLY hear what are gunshots (or other threats), I'm NOT going to automatically run. I WILL get out of the way of the stampede, though. Let the fools run over each other. I will step aside and find cover, if possible.

    On the other hand, I've also taught my daughter that when there is a clear threat, to IGNORE orders to stay where she is. I've taught her to GTFO. I've taught her that GTFO means doing whatever it takes, including throwing a chair through a window.

    OK... let's hash this out! Go!
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    Agreed^^^^^^

    Even if I didn’t hear the “gun shots” myself and see the stampede headed my way, I will step aside while taking cover. But, I WILL gtfo as quickly as possible making sure my loved ones are with me. You have to remember also that most stores (if not all) will have a rear entrance/exit. Instead of running down the middle of the mall with the stampede, I would go into a store and look for the rear exit. Of course, you should know the layout of the mall you are in. I make it a point to study the store map and all exits available to me and my loved ones to gtfo.

    Here is a question to add to your scenario.

    What if your loved ones are at one end of the mall and you are at the other? Gun shot ring out, everyone starts panicking... Do you go towards where you last knew the location of your loved ones or gtfo and hope they get out safely?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Caleb View Post
    Agreed^^^^^^

    Even if I didn’t hear the “gun shots” myself and see the stampede headed my way, I will step aside while taking cover. But, I WILL gtfo as quickly as possible making sure my loved ones are with me. You have to remember also that most stores (if not all) will have a rear entrance/exit. Instead of running down the middle of the mall with the stampede, I would go into a store and look for the rear exit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caleb View Post
    Agreed^^^^^^

    What if your loved ones are at one end of the mall and you are at the other? Gun shot ring out, everyone starts panicking... Do you go towards where you last knew the location of your loved ones or gtfo and hope they get out safely?


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    I'm going looking for them. No way I'm GTFO without at least trying to locate them.

    Though, it's unlikely that I would be at one end of the mall with my family at the other.
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    ^^ As I understand it (but have not verified) all mall stores must have a rear exit. This exit may lead to a service corridor or directly to the exterior of the mall. As above, rather than run with the pack I would enter the nearest store, find the rear exit, and work my way outside. All the while on alert for any indication that a shooter is nearby, and scanning for cover to duck into/behind if the need should arise.

    I would not move about gun in hand, but would be ready to draw if necessary.

    Highly unlikely I would be far from my family when we visit the mall. Nothing pre planned, just the way we typically shop . . . we walk around together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by racer88 View Post
    So, this post was inspired by the false alarm at the Boca mall. It's not the first time such a thing has happened.

    So, it raises the question: What would YOU do?

    I've already had this conversation with my kids (before this incident). You have to be careful about getting caught up in a panic. My daughter is rather petite. She could EASILY be trampled. I've taught her to move to the edges / side of the flow of people.... get out of the way.

    Me? If I did not PERSONALLY witness or CLEARLY hear what are gunshots (or other threats), I'm NOT going to automatically run. I WILL get out of the way of the stampede, though. Let the fools run over each other. I will step aside and find cover, if possible.

    On the other hand, I've also taught my daughter that when there is a clear threat, to IGNORE orders to stay where she is. I've taught her to GTFO. I've taught her that GTFO means doing whatever it takes, including throwing a chair through a window.

    OK... let's hash this out! Go!
    Excellent thread, racer and I've trained my family the same way; don't panic and run with the herd of sheeple. Step aside and get out of the way to avoid being trampled, seek cover, if possible, and in a legitimate threat, GTFO through a store to a rear exit, not with the mindless hoard.

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    Agreed^^^^^^

    Even if I didn’t hear the “gun shots” myself and see the stampede headed my way, I will step aside while taking cover. But, I WILL gtfo as quickly as possible making sure my loved ones are with me. You have to remember also that most stores (if not all) will have a rear entrance/exit. Instead of running down the middle of the mall with the stampede, I would go into a store and look for the rear exit. Of course, you should know the layout of the mall you are in. I make it a point to study the store map and all exits available to me and my loved ones to gtfo.

    Here is a question to add to your scenario.

    What if your loved ones are at one end of the mall and you are at the other? Gun shot ring out, everyone starts panicking... Do you go towards where you last knew the location of your loved ones or gtfo and hope they get out safely?


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    Very unusual for me to shop with family at a mall and even more unusual for me to separate from my family when I do. If we were separated for some reason, I'm not going to GTFO and hope they did, too. I'd be moving toward their last known location in attempt to reunite, if at all possible with EDC still in in their holster and sheath, but ready to deploy RFN, if necessary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleGator View Post
    ^^ As I understand it (but have not verified) all mall stores must have a rear exit. This exit may lead to a service corridor or directly to the exterior of the mall. As above, rather than run with the pack I would enter the nearest store, find the rear exit, and work my way outside. All the while on alert for any indication that a shooter is nearby, and scanning for cover to duck into/behind if the need should arise.

    I would not move about gun in hand, but would be ready to draw if necessary.

    Highly unlikely I would be far from my family when we visit the mall. Nothing pre planned, just the way we typically shop . . . we walk around together.
    This. Almost every store has a rear exit. If stuck in a store, consider hiding within a clothes rack if there is no way out. Tops of shelving units, if tall enough, can also be used as concealment. However, I haven't visited a shopping mall in years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by racer88 View Post
    I'm going looking for them. No way I'm GTFO without at least trying to locate them.

    Though, it's unlikely that I would be at one end of the mall with my family at the other.
    Same here..... I’m never apart from them unless I’m not there. But, since this is a scenario...... if we were separated for some reason (auntie Anne’s pretzels is a good reason), I would not gtfo without reuniting with my better half.


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    Boca Town Center / Shelter in place order.

    So I go to Town Center mall sometimes.. Watching all the stuff that happened yesterday got me wondering.. The Boca Police issued a shelter in place order. I pictured myself in a store with my wife..

    Then what? Do you draw your weapon? or at least expose it so you can get to it? Do you announce to others around that you are carrying? Do you just stand behind the clothing racks hoping a shooter doesn't walk in with his weapon already drawn and hope you can get under your shirt draw and aim fast enough..

    Even IF you are successful.. I think the odds are still pretty high you get taken out by 4 or 5 amped up 25-year old cops with AR's who are going to eventually see you.. Even if you don't expose your weapon do you then identify yourself to the police when they show up to escort you out?

    There's not many good ways for this to end...

    Any thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GregC View Post
    So I go to Town Center mall sometimes.. Watching all the stuff that happened yesterday got me wondering.. The Boca Police issued a shelter in place order. I pictured myself in a store with my wife..

    Then what? Do you draw your weapon?

    NO.

    or at least expose it so you can get to it?

    NO

    Do you announce to others around that you are carrying?

    HELL NO.

    Do you just stand behind the clothing racks hoping a shooter doesn't walk in with his weapon already drawn and hope you can get under your shirt draw and aim fast enough..

    Me? I'm going to do what I think is best for me (and my loved ones) in the circumstances, as I assess them. That may be staying in place. It may be finding better cover. It may be leaving regardless of what someone else "orders" me to do.

    Even IF you are successful.. I think the odds are still pretty high you get taken out by 4 or 5 amped up 25-year old cops with AR's who are going to eventually see you.. Even if you don't expose your weapon do you then identify yourself to the police when they show up to escort you out?

    Not following there. Whaaa?

    There's not many good ways for this to end...

    I can think of a very good way for it to end... me and my family alive and at home. But, yeah... if you do any of what you suggested above... unholstering (unless you need to USE your gun), exposing, announcing, etc.... it will not likely end well

    Any thoughts?

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    See bolded above.

    BTW, we already have a thread on this topic: https://www.floridaconcealedcarry.co...What-do-you-do
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