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    The usual suspect.

    As soon as you read these words in the story you can rest assured everything else after it is as fictitious as a Disney movie.

    Red flag gun confiscation laws generally make it so almost anyone – a jealous ex, a vindictive, gun-hating neighbor, and so forth – can claim to law enforcement that someone is unfit to possess a gun and thus have his or her weapons forcibly seized without due process.

    They claim this but can't produce a single one. That's all one needs to know.

    They even go so far as to prove their own claims are so much manure

    The judge did not accept the order, but the fact that it was made at all signals a lack of reason and practicality in the enforcement of these red flag laws, echoing a concern that many opposers to the statute have voiced.
    In other words, the system these worry-warts feared did NOT happen. A judge stopped it, just as reasonable people would expect. And when it got stopped by a judge, THAT represents "a lack of reason and practicality in enforcement of these red flag laws?" Geeze, what would you call it if the judge DIDN'T stop it?
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    Red flag law used against young kids in Florida “shocking,” says Florida Senator


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    2500 people stripped of their rights by this bull**** law..but it HAS NEVER HAPPENED IN FLORIDA
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    Let's see if I have these right...

    First, it strips people of RIGHTS? Be serious! If their behavior rises to the level that merits an EOOP, that's stripping them of RIGHTS? What rights? To make threats? To endanger themselves or others? To tie up emergency resources dealing with their emotional acting out? Pffffffttttttttt!!!

    Second, a historical perspective:
    A kid (Cruz) goes off the rails and shoots up a school (Parkland). In the subsequent vetting of his past, we find that the local LEA had been advised of his wandering off the rails some TWENTY EIGHT times, and despite all the amazing leadership they had, they (claimed they) could do nothing about him. What they needed was a law designed to interdict subjects who ***PAY CLOSE ATTENTION HERE YOU WITH POOR INFORMATION ABSORBING SKILLS *** by their own ACTIONS present a danger to themselves or others. That's it - you act like a loose cannon, you get treated like a loose cannon.

    Oh, NO!!! Now every ex-wife and ticked off girlfriend in FL will be jamming the courts trying to get their man's guns confiscated on a bunch of BS (i.e.- made up, no evidence) charges. Just don't ask us to produce one because we don't have ANY... at all! In fact in complaining about this, we actually present a REAL case where a judge threw out the request because it didn't rise to the appropriate level. This is the equivalent of a prosecutor presenting evidence the suspect was out of town on the day the crime happened.

    So now our legislature and executive, believing this law will "fix" the problem, enacts that law despite all the ex-wife screaming and due process nonsense continually bleated out by groups who, if they had even the slightest possible case where due process was denied would have filed it a YEAR ago.

    And what do we have today? The tool the SO asked for is actually being used. BY the SO. Imagine that. Whoda thunk??

    Why an 8 year old? Simple answer - he made a threat. If the SO had ignored that threat and that kid laid hands on a firearm and did something stupid with it, who here would be saying the SO ought to get a pass because the kid was only eight years old? That's right... NO ONE.

    Whether or not anyone here on this forum supported or wanted that law, it IS the law. Your fellow citizens wanted it right along with your politicians, NOT us, so take your fight to them. And when you do that, try not to make all gun owners look as ridiculous as you do by spouting claims that cannot be backed with evidence, only emotions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OHEng View Post
    Let's see if I have these right...


    Oh, NO!!! Now every ex-wife and ticked off girlfriend in FL will be jamming the courts trying to get their man's guns confiscated on a bunch of BS (i.e.- made up, no evidence) charges. Just don't ask us to produce one because we don't have ANY... at all! In fact in complaining about this, we actually present a REAL case where a judge threw out the request because it didn't rise to the appropriate level. This is the equivalent of a prosecutor presenting evidence the suspect was out of town on the day the crime happened.

    So now our legislature and executive, believing this law will "fix" the problem, enacts that law despite all the ex-wife screaming and due process nonsense continually bleated out by groups who, if they had even the slightest possible case where due process was denied would have filed it a YEAR ago.
    Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. (There is no evidence of aliens, so aliens don't exist.)

    The concern is that the law has no provision to prevent the abuse... no punishment for the abuse... of the law. The facts are, despite your denial, that property is taken BEFORE Due Process. See 4th, 5th, and 14th Amendments. The Founders felt this was SO IMPORTANT, they put it in THREE of the Constitutional Amendments. THREE of them.
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    https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/...s-for-divorce/

    So, she files for divorce. THEN she files an additional complaint / restraining order based on the allegation that he choked her TWO YEARS ago. He has to surrender his firearms BEFORE Due Process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by racer88 View Post
    https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/...s-for-divorce/

    So, she files for divorce. THEN she files an additional complaint / restraining order based on the allegation that he choked her TWO YEARS ago. He has to surrender his firearms BEFORE Due Process.
    You seem to have an erroneous understanding of what constitutes due process. When a warrant is issued, either for a search or an arrest, the target of said warrant is not notified in advance, nor are they privy to the proceedings that occur to obtain said warrant. I don't understand why anyone would think that an ERPO would be handled any differently, or how that amounts to a lack of due process.

    Florida's red flag law has been challenged as a violation of due process...and that challenge has been rejected.

    https://www.wptv.com/news/state/appe...s-red-flag-law

    https://www.1dca.org/content/downloa...09405740_i.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by deadeyedick View Post
    You seem to have an erroneous understanding of what constitutes due process. When a warrant is issued, either for a search or an arrest, the target of said warrant is not notified in advance, nor are they privy to the proceedings that occur to obtain said warrant. I don't understand why anyone would think that an ERPO would be handled any differently, or how that amounts to a lack of due process.

    Florida's red flag law has been challenged as a violation of due process...and that challenge has been rejected.

    https://www.wptv.com/news/state/appe...s-red-flag-law

    https://www.1dca.org/content/downloa...09405740_i.pdf
    No provision to face your accuser or contest the decision (to seize your property).... until later... sometimes much later... at the discretion of the government, eh?

    Even with Eminent Domain cases, the land owner gets to present his case before they just knock down his house.

    That the argument has been rejected (by a particular court or judge) is not an absolute determination of truth. Appeal to authority, eh? The Constitution's language is really not vague or obtuse. It's pretty clear and written in rather plain language.
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