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    Quote Originally Posted by rayman View Post
    I wonder what's going on in someone's head to pull out a gun and start shooting at police. You have to know it's not going to go well for you! Maybe they would rather die than go to jail
    Or suicide by cop. Maybe he tried to kill himself with the drugs, and the cops interrupted that plan. Plan B: Suicide by cop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by racer88 View Post
    Or suicide by cop. Maybe he tried to kill himself with the drugs, and the cops interrupted that plan. Plan B: Suicide by cop.
    Likely scenario. Too bad he murdered a firefighter in the process, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by racer88 View Post
    "We happened to find the weapon while examining the patient for any bleeding, lacerations, and other injuries."
    Yes, that would be my explanation as an emergency. First responder must have recognized the overdose before getting to that point and administered Narcan, which quickly revived him. Once the OD is recognized, is it ok to then search the person before administering Narcan is really what I was asking.

    I'm checking with my firefighter/EMS/son of the former County Sheriff buddy back in the DPRofMD to see what their training says on the subject.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BeerHunter View Post
    Yes, that would be my explanation as an emergency. First responder must have recognized the overdose before getting to that point and administered Narcan, which quickly revived him. Once the OD is recognized, is it ok to then search the person before administering Narcan is really what I was asking.

    I'm checking with my firefighter/EMS/son of the former County Sheriff buddy back in the DPRofMD to see what their training says on the subject.
    I can say that as a NJ EMT/PIT we had no such training as it was assumed that few if any of our patients would be cc'ing... After all, it was against the law in NJ without a CCW permit that was rarely if ever issued.

    That and, (most of the time), we had police on the scene with us who would have cleared the scene (and the patient) prior to our treating them. Thankfully, in no case did any of my OD patients ever pull a weapon on me, even though some were pi$$ed enough to (see my post above). If we suspected an OD or "unconsciousness of unknown origin," and we saw no evidence of traumatic injury (which would necessitate an immediate full physical assessment), we would go directly for the "Bellevue Cocktail" and worry about traumatic injury/assessment, secondarily. Hence, we may not have even known the patient was armed, until it was too late. You must be real careful when administering Narcan because it has a high "barf reflex" potential. You'd best be ready to have that patient hurl violently. Stand by with an emesis basin and be ready to roll the patient on their side, if they're supine, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeerHunter View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by racer88 View Post
    They didn't pat him down before waking his a$$ up???
    Not sure what the protocol is and it sure would seem prudent, but I wonder if there are any Fourth Amendment issues of an LEO "patting down" an unconscious person?
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    Quote Originally Posted by racer88 View Post
    Or suicide by cop. Maybe he tried to kill himself with the drugs, and the cops interrupted that plan. Plan B: Suicide by cop.
    Don't think it was suicide by cop cause he used a bystander as human shield, He was probably just another dumb... that thinks with his anger instead of his brain

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