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    Lightbulb Simple "Off-Limits" List

    Just a thought, why not a list of all the Florida AND Federal places that are "off-limits"? Plus put in there that just because a sign is posted, and it's not on the "list", stating "No Firearms" it doesn't mean you are legally not allowed to carry there, but if asked to leave do it "at an expediant pace". And I don't mean a copy and paste from the regulation. Im looking more for a real simple "Police Station, Court, K-12 Schools" kind of list. I'm just lookin' for stuff that is more helpful to the folks looking into getting a CHL. We could call it "Where Can I Carry" or something of that nature. Maybe even get advanced as to list the name & address in XXXXXX County. It would take some time. I know, at least in my world, there are places on the "list" I rarely go more than once a year if at all. Then there are other places(Federal buildings/property) I'm in all the time.

    I got the idea for this when I was talking to my old man about a CHL and he made the comment, "Why, you can't really take it with you anywhere." So, now it's time to make the uneducated a real simple, black and white, list of places you cannot take your firearm. I know some people I have spoken to are really surprised about where you CAN take your concealed firearm.

    Just a thought.

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    Hospitals, Local & Federal Government Buildings..

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    Quote Originally Posted by frank305 View Post
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    Hospitals, Local & Federal Government Buildings..
    I'm confused about hospital carry. Does the laws specifically say that you can't carry in a hospital?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NkmG19 View Post
    I'm confused about hospital carry. Does the laws specifically say that you can't carry in a hospital?
    http://www.flsenate.gov/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=& URL=Ch0394/SEC458.HTM&Title=->2003->Ch0394->Section%20458


    The 2008 Florida Statutes

    Title XXIX
    PUBLIC HEALTH Chapter 394
    MENTAL HEALTH View Entire Chapter

    394.458 Introduction or removal of certain articles unlawful; penalty.--

    (1)(a) Except as authorized by law or as specifically authorized by the person in charge of each hospital providing mental health services under this part, it is unlawful to introduce into or upon the grounds of such hospital, or to take or attempt to take or send therefrom, any of the following articles, which are hereby declared to be contraband for the purposes of this section:

    1. Any intoxicating beverage or beverage which causes or may cause an intoxicating effect;

    2. Any controlled substance as defined in chapter 893; or

    3. Any firearms or deadly weapon.

    (b) It is unlawful to transmit to, or attempt to transmit to, or cause or attempt to cause to be transmitted to, or received by, any patient of any hospital providing mental health services under this part any article or thing declared by this section to be contraband, at any place which is outside of the grounds of such hospital, except as authorized by law or as specifically authorized by the person in charge of such hospital.

    (2) A person who violates any provision of this section commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

    History.--s. 1, ch. 75-253; s. 201, ch. 77-147; s. 1, ch. 77-174; s. 6, ch. 96-169.

    Referencing florida firearms law according to F.S.790.25 should be considered authurized by law to have your weapon securly encased in your vehicle.

    now under FS 790.06(12) doesn't list hospitals but i wouldn't want to be a test case.

    12) No license issued pursuant to this section shall authorize any person to carry a concealed weapon or firearm into any place of nuisance as defined in s. 823.05; any police, sheriff, or highway patrol station; any detention facility, prison, or jail; any courthouse; any courtroom, except that nothing in this section would preclude a judge from carrying a concealed weapon or determining who will carry a concealed weapon in his or her courtroom; any polling place; any meeting of the governing body of a county, public school district, municipality, or special district; any meeting of the Legislature or a committee thereof; any school, college, or professional athletic event not related to firearms; any school administration building; any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to such purpose; any elementary or secondary school facility; any career center; any college or university facility unless the licensee is a registered student, employee, or faculty member of such college or university and the weapon is a stun gun or nonlethal electric weapon or device designed solely for defensive purposes and the weapon does not fire a dart or projectile; inside the passenger terminal and sterile area of any airport, provided that no person shall be prohibited from carrying any legal firearm into the terminal, which firearm is encased for shipment for purposes of checking such firearm as baggage to be lawfully transported on any aircraft; or any place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law. Any person who willfully violates any provision of this subsection commits a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.

    I guess i would just lock it up in my car in a secure locked case to be safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OrlandoDriver View Post
    now under FS 790.06(12) doesn't list hospitals but i wouldn't want to be a test case.
    This is where I was looking and totally missed the other section. Thanks for posting this.

    I guess i would just lock it up in my car in a secure locked case to be safe.
    I will certainly do that if I go to the hospital.

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    Ive been in most of the hospitals in south florida, they all have a "No Firearms" sign. Since I see it at every hospital, I assume it's a general thing. Ill ask some LEO's I know..

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    Seems fairly clear to me ...

    3. Any firearms or deadly weapon.

    (b) It is unlawful to transmit to, or attempt to transmit to, or cause or attempt to cause to be transmitted to, or received by, any patient of any hospital providing mental health services
    While I realize that I speak English and not Lawyer and I could be wrong but if you aren't a mental health patient, or try to give a mental health patient,a gun why would you not be able to carry --- aside from hospital policy that is but not a violation of law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OrlandoDriver View Post
    I guess i would just lock it up in my car in a secure locked case to be safe.
    The part I don't like about this is that once the firearm is secure in my car that means I have to go through the parking lot/garage feeling totally vulnerable and unprotected in order to enter the hospital to do my visiting.

    While I understand the reasons that certain places are off limits it still doesn't make me feel any safer when the time comes for me to cross a parking lot even in broad daylight.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MamaBearto2 View Post
    The part I don't like about this is that once the firearm is secure in my car that means I have to go through the parking lot/garage feeling totally vulnerable and unprotected in order to enter the hospital to do my visiting.

    While I understand the reasons that certain places are off limits it still doesn't make me feel any safer when the time comes for me to cross a parking lot even in broad daylight.


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    I understand what you mean if your coming out of orlando regional your first in a not so safe zone,florida hospital east not so bad as they have security everywhere but i would still carry some alternative not on thier list florida east atleast not to far from main building but parking lot getting bigger.funny how we have to observe the laws but the BG doesnt.Funny how its put firearm or deadly weapon wow leaves very little options
    Last edited by OrlandoDriver; 09-05-2008 at 12:28 AM.

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    I work in a hospital and I'd be damned if I'm going all the way to my car to get my gun.
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