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    Hornady Critical Defense ammo VS Golden Sabre HP

    I currently carry golden sabre in both my handguns but seen these rounds and would like to step ahead in technology when it comes to ballistics. I see these rounds are alot lighter but the penetration and expansion is guaranteed even through thick clothing which is a downfall to traditional hollow point rounds. What is your inputs on these new rounds compared to golden sabre HP defense rounds??

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    This might inform your question.

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-DAq...eature=related
    I use it. Swithed from Fed. Hydrashok which was the gold standard for HP ammo. Viewed plenty of barrier/gelatin tests before making the change.
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    "A Word of Caution about Hornady’s Critical Defense Handgun Ammunition" - http://www.firearmstactical.com/tact...06/04/main.htm
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    Concerning the "Word of Caution," do you really think that Remington, Winchester, Cor-bon, or anyone else is going to tell you that their ammo is DESIGNED to shoot through glass, car doors, or the like? NO! They are designed around velocity and expansion parameters that have little to do with the kind of things that the author of this article is obsessing about. The spokesman from Hornady gave the only kind of answer that an official corporate spokesman can give when asked a DUMB question!

    I absolutely would not hesitate to use Hornady ammo based on this web posting.
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    wow i would need to see a video against glass,wall and sheet metal before i decide to switch from HCD ammo. The gelatin test are what cause my attention and the expansion results. Hmm going to see if i can see any videos on the TUBE about these "issues"

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    Concerning the "Word of Caution," do you really think that Remington, Winchester, Cor-bon, or anyone else is going to tell you that their ammo is DESIGNED to shoot through glass, car doors, or the like? NO!
    Modern defense ammo, manufactured by Remington (Golden Saber), Winchester (Ranger), Federal (HST, Hydra-Shok) and Speer (Gold Dot), IS specifically designed to perform well when tested against the FBI Ammunition test protocol, which includes test events involving auto glass, auto sheet metal, and dry wall. These loads all deliver superior general-purpose terminal performance than Hornady Critical Defense.

    See:
    Remington (page 24) - http://www.digitaleditiononline.com/...ation/?i=56808
    Federal & Speer - http://le.atk.com/general/irl/woundballistics.aspx
    Winchester (pages 18-19) - http://www.winchester.com/SiteCollec...entCatalog.pdf

    The spokesman from Hornady gave the only kind of answer that an official corporate spokesman can give when asked a DUMB question!
    Hornady Critical Defense handgun ammunition performs POORLY in the FBI test events (it isn't good enough for general-purpose law enforcement use) - which is the exact reason why Hornady is specifically marketing it to gullible private citizens and claiming it's superior to well-designed law enforcement ammo (which is available to the general public).
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    To play the devils advocate.

    Then why is it the the Hornaday so much more widely locally available compared the above? Just from personally experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Titusvillain View Post
    Modern defense ammo, manufactured by Remington (Golden Saber), Winchester (Ranger), Federal (HST, Hydra-Shok) and Speer (Gold Dot), IS specifically designed to perform well when tested against the FBI Ammunition test protocol, which includes test events involving auto glass, auto sheet metal, and dry wall. These loads all deliver superior general-purpose terminal performance than Hornady Critical Defense.

    See:
    Remington (page 24) - http://www.digitaleditiononline.com/...ation/?i=56808
    Federal & Speer - http://le.atk.com/general/irl/woundballistics.aspx
    Winchester (pages 18-19) - http://www.winchester.com/SiteCollec...entCatalog.pdf

    Hornady Critical Defense handgun ammunition performs POORLY in the FBI test events (it isn't good enough for general-purpose law enforcement use) - which is the exact reason why Hornady is specifically marketing it to gullible private citizens and claiming it's superior to well-designed law enforcement ammo (which is available to the general public).
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    For 9mm I use Corbon 115 +P at 1350 fps in my big all metal guns but for my PM9 I use Hornady Critcal Defense. I also use it in my LCP after seeing most other brands not expand reliably through such a short barrel. I read a few handgun mags and in many of the accuracy tests they do, the CD rounds provide either the best accuracy or close to it. My personal experience at the range is that the CD rounds are very accurate in the guns I shoot them with and the felt recoil is less.

    I have heard over and over again that to ensure reliable expansion for you need about 1100 fps coming out of YOUR barrel and a lot of compact or smaller guns do not provide that so something like the CD ammo is worth considering. I do not think this applies to .45 ACP though but perhaps someone with factual info can chime in here.

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